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Posted by bkbk on 03-30-2001 11:45 AM:

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Originally posted by bkbk
I played w/the Edge at a Staples in NYC the other day (Thurs., I think).
Screen seemed just like the others (not grayer / lighter, as some reports have had it) -- though I didn't really look for this. As I left the store, though, it flashed on me that I'd've noticed if it was.

Not true!
I played w/another one a day or 2 back, and took the time & trouble to compare screens -- Edge is the best HS mono screen so far, pretty much no doubt. It is slightly grayer, lighter & sharper.
Also, there was a "casino slot-machine" app on it (don't know if it was built-in), that nicely showed off both the 16 greyscale & speed. Techno-lust was in my heart.

BTW, I BEAMED A NUMBER OF APPS TO THE EDGE'S "MID-DEVICE-IR-PORT" AND IT SEEMED TO SUCK THEM IN W/THE POWER OF A TRACTOR BEAM! I was amazed at its power.

There's so much going on right now, though, I'll hang w/my HSVD a bit longer....

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Moose:
I can feel a long off-topic post coming on, and both don't have time right now nor energy to write it, but:

I'm a huge Larson fan (already stated);
I'm even in a number of "royalty" businesses, myself;
Still, I'm not sure it's "just" (infinite royalties);
Should there be a cap on personal wealth?;
Should "inheritance" be a fact of life for some, but prevent them from "walking 2 mi. in the moccasins" re others?

It's a bit like the MP3 thing -- don't recording artists make most of their money touring, anyway?

Once someone's a millionaire (and certainly if he/she's a billionaire), I think they can kick back on the "it's all mine" perspective....

Maybe I'll attempt a long treatise on these and other questions in the future, but for me for now, the jury's still out.

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Posted by Toby on 03-30-2001 03:08 PM:

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Originally posted by bkbk
Should there be a cap on personal wealth?;

Simply put...no.

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Should "inheritance" be a fact of life for some, but prevent them from "walking 2 mi. in the moccasins" re others?

Inheritance is part and parcel of the idea of personal property ownership. Unless you're against the idea of the latter, opposing the former is logically inconsistent.

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It's a bit like the MP3 thing -- don't recording artists make most of their money touring, anyway?

This really depends on lots of things (the artist, the genre in which they exist, structures of the contracts, industry clout of the artist, etc.).

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Once someone's a millionaire (and certainly if he/she's a billionaire), I think they can kick back on the "it's all mine" perspective....

I'm not either a millionaire or a billionaire, but I think that everything I produce/perform/whatever is definitely mine. I may choose to sell these services to a business in return for a salary/benefits/whatever, but that is optional.

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Maybe I'll attempt a long treatise on these and other questions in the future, but for me for now, the jury's still out.

I think Larson is being overly kind in his request and is fully justified in making it.

Posted by dick-richardson on 03-30-2001 04:45 PM:

asinine post on my part -- deleted

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Posted by bkbk on 03-31-2001 11:22 AM:

Toby,
I don't want to write a ton here, but please keep your mind open until you see a lot more data (not nec. filled in just by me) on these issues.
(I recently posted 1/2 of a huge, detailed, well-thought-out [or so I thought] post, and was not savvy enough to keep doing Ctrl-A, Ctrl-C as I went along, and badly got burned. Not sure I'll do that anymore.)
Please take no offense (though I prob. would have) if I can prob. say w/rel. cert. that you're younger than I.
THE QUESTION OF AGE
It's not moot, sad to say -- again, in my youth, I'd've prob. disag. vehemently. (And to my own chagrin, owing to my vast studies in many disciplines, I'd've prob. won the arg. -- tho no doubt lost the war.)
There really is some wisdom to the facts:
1) You CAN'T be U.S. Pres. if you're <35;
2) Mark Twain's famous quote: "When I was a kid of __ [I forget age he states; 15 or 18?] I thought my dad was a complete buffoon; by the time I was 21, I was surprised to see how much wisdom he'd acquired in just those few years!";
3) Aristotle stated you're not "A Man In Full" (w/apolgies to Tom Wolfe, his newest novel w/that title, and the fact that I have neither read it, nor really know its subject matter) until you reach 40;
4) Famous quote along these lines: "If you're a republican before [some age over 21, I believe -- but maybe 35 or 40], you have no heart; if not after this age, no head."

None of these are "conclusive proof," of course. But one must reflect on "perpetually mounting anecdotal evidence" such as this.

I used to think people could be trusted, POWER was NOT a lust, and "everything would work out right in the end." Just watch 20/20, Nightline, PrimeTime, DateLine and even Inside Edition and Hard Copy, etc. long enough (and live another decade or two), and you'll see the world is a far, far, far, far, far, far, far cry from the Wizard of Oz. I haven't seen the new film "Traffic," but it's probably much closer to reality, sadly.

Even I, whom I consider quite perspicacious, was quite naive about this for many years, wanting to "believe there was more good than evil in people" ... maybe, but only some people. But now I work hard (as I should have my whole life, if I wasn't blinded) to MAKE SURE WE LIMIT POWER. "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts, absolutely," is still true, sadly. Even a "benevolent tyrant" like Bill Gates (if you want to look at it that way) felt free to CRUSH OTHERS, SO HE MIGHT LIVE, etc.

I'm sure Gary Larson is one of the kindest, most artistic, altruistic, etc. persons who ever lived. It's sad that he "shouldn't be able to have $100,000,000" or whatever, just so we can ensure NO EVIL PEOPLE DO, EITHER. Ultimately, I hope, we'll be able to scientifically pinpoint who is good and who is evil, and by how much, then these restrictions can perhaps be lifted -- or at least modified.

(A good ex. is Dean Kamen, whose "Ginger/IT" invention I was just reading about on HOWITWORKS.COM. Merely by one of his prev. inventions [the "vertical wheelchair," or whatever its "real name" is] I believe we should vote his "cap lifted" for the rest of his life -- I think it's such an astounding gift to humanity. [And, BTW, if we DO life in a truly compassionate world / nation, I think EVERYONE IN A WHEELCHAIR SHOULD GET ONE ***TODAY*** -- and we worry about the cost (to the taxpayer and/or w/the infirmed person's econ. contributions) LATER.] Obviously, the astounding details involved in "eval. all of human life" must be done by supercomputers, A.I., etc., since it prob. involves billions - octillions of "calcs" to even "arrive at a good sort order," etc.)

It's shocking & horrifying for people of goodwill to have these concepts of SCIENTIFIC TESTS of "real-life matters" crest their consciousness, I know -- I felt that shock way back when, too. [LOOK UP THE MEANING OF WELTSCHMERZ (it's in the dic.) ... and ask yourself WHY IT WAS COINED.] But many of the great minds of this world agree w/me that these SCIENTIFIC TESTS must be applied -- at the very least so good people will be LEFT ALONE, and not constantly accosted by the psychos.

M.Scott Peck, M.D.'s "People of the Lie: The Hope for Healing Human Evil" (a ref. I've made in other posts) is an indispensable read, and will lead you to the other great minds that have also realized the absolute truth that there is in fact human evil, and something must be done about it. No matter how much "it breaks our hearts to acknowledge."

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Posted by bkbk on 03-31-2001 11:38 AM:

BTW it's IMPORTANT that all understand I am NOT saying you must be 40 "before you're a man" -- but one in *full* -- whatever that means. (I mean: seasoned, judicious reasoning, based on a seasoned, judicious understanding of THE VAST MOSAIC OF LIFE. I believe Aristotle meant the same, and prob. Tom Wolfe -- I'll see if I can garner that quickly & get back to you.)
As the "Mars & Venus" books (NOT the TV show, please, which is merely a hideous bastardization to make money, obviously, which is why Dr. Gray almost never appears on it, I'm sure) and Evolutionary Biology and Evolutionary Psychology have FINALLY shown the human race:
You're a MAN at birth (or woman, in the distaff case).
You DON'T need to "PROVE" it in ANY way.
You DON'T need some "ritual" to "certify" it, etc.
ANCIENT cultures did (because they had so little data).
YOU don't need to lift a finger TODAY.
In our brave new world, it's a GIVEN.
We have the EVIDENCE.

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"Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds." -- Albert Einstein

Posted by bkbk on 03-31-2001 12:02 PM:

Last, quick note (for now), I swear:
On power:
In the modern world, this is mostly via money.
But, say it was still "arms" -- would we endorse an UNLIMITED build-up?
What if A.Hitler or S.Hussein had a special laser ("star-wars" type, in orbit) that could decimate other countries? Would he "not use this unfair advantage"? Doubtful.
In "T1" and "T2" wasn't the Terminator so powerful he didn't even need to worry about anyone in his way?
On a slightly diff. point:
Should prisoners be allowed to lift weights just so they can dominate & crush others (perhaps innocent -- incl. guards) in their environs? Isn't it wiser to deny them this "arms build-up"? (Provided they are GUARANTEED safety from the assaults of others, which they now, under the thoroughly corrupt prison & court systems, are not.)
(Note, BTW, this is mostly a male concern, since women are by and large not "given the dilemma" of having to conduct hand-to-hand combat on their own -- but instead must abnegate the consideration, since males are born more physically powerful, by and large.)

I would say every kind of power ("the ability to act" in the dic., I believe) should be guarded against too masssive a build-up.

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Posted by Toby on 04-02-2001 03:56 PM:

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Originally posted by bkbk
I don't want to write a ton here, but please keep your mind open until you see a lot more data (not nec. filled in just by me) on these issues.

My mind is open. What data do you think would change it? Which positions exactly do you think that I need to see more data on? Please be a bit more clear if you're going to start assuming ignorance on my part.

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(I recently posted 1/2 of a huge, detailed, well-thought-out [or so I thought] post, and was not savvy enough to keep doing Ctrl-A, Ctrl-C as I went along, and badly got burned. Not sure I'll do that anymore.)

Perhaps it has more to do with a rambling stream-of-consciousness style than not hitting "Ctrl-A, Ctrl-C" (not exactly sure what that's supposed to mean). If one's internal thought structures are clear and well-structured, stream-of-consciousness can get a point across. If not, communication suffers unbearably.

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Please take no offense (though I prob. would have) if I can prob. say w/rel. cert. that you're younger than I.

No, I take no offense, but even if I am younger than you (providing your age would have made it simple to determine), I fail to see what difference it makes. Basing one's argument on age is weak and fallacious.

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THE QUESTION OF AGE
It's not moot, sad to say -- again, in my youth, I'd've prob. disag. vehemently. (And to my own chagrin, owing to my vast studies in many disciplines, I'd've prob. won the arg. -- tho no doubt lost the war.)

You're really rambling incoherently here. None of this has anything to do with what I said (unless you're trying to refute by circumvention).

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There really is some wisdom to the facts:
1) You CAN'T be U.S. Pres. if you're <35;

But you can have almost as much (if not more with a sufficient number of like-minded individuals) power at 25. This also ignores the fact that originally there was going to be a minimum property wealth provision as well ($100,000 at that time, imagine it indexed for today) too, so does that mean if you own less property than I, your statements are less meaningful? Besides, what's all this have to do with anything?

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2) Mark Twain's famous quote: "When I was a kid of __ [I forget age he states; 15 or 18?] I thought my dad was a complete buffoon; by the time I was 21, I was surprised to see how much wisdom he'd acquired in just those few years!";

It's a nice quote and all, but non sequitur to anything at hand.

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3) Aristotle stated you're not "A Man In Full" (w/apolgies to Tom Wolfe, his newest novel w/that title, and the fact that I have neither read it, nor really know its subject matter) until you reach 40;

Appeal to authority (argumentum ad vericundiam)...dismissed.

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4) Famous quote along these lines: "If you're a republican before [some age over 21, I believe -- but maybe 35 or 40], you have no heart; if not after this age, no head."

Actually, the quote is more like, if you're under 30 and not a liberal, you have no heart; if you're over 30 and not a conservative, you have no brain. Like most quotes along those lines, it's kinda pithy, but really not much to base one's life philosophy upon.

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None of these are "conclusive proof," of course.

They're not only not concslusive proof. They're not proof of anything. They're just sayings.

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But one must reflect on "perpetually mounting anecdotal evidence" such as this.

This could be summed up with "If you say something loud enough and long enough, eventually people will believe it to be true." It's quite a false sentiment.

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I used to think people could be trusted, POWER was NOT a lust, and "everything would work out right in the end." Just watch 20/20, Nightline, PrimeTime, DateLine and even Inside Edition and Hard Copy, etc. long enough (and live another decade or two), and you'll see the world is a far, far, far, far, far, far, far cry from the Wizard of Oz. I haven't seen the new film "Traffic," but it's probably much closer to reality, sadly.

Perhaps if you came back to reality for a minute, you'd see that this seems to bear not even a smidgen of relationship to anything I said. It makes a nice little straw man, maybe, but those aren't worth much either. You appear to be ASSUming an awful lot of things here that bear no relation to reality or anything I said.

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Even I, whom I consider quite perspicacious,

Perhaps you may consider it impressive to be sesquipedalian, but I do not. The only reason one should have for using a $.50 word is when it clearly expresses a meaning not otherwise available in a simpler, more widely understood word. In this case, I think "hot-****" though a tad vulgar, would clearly get the meaning across.

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was quite naive about this for many years, wanting to "believe there was more good than evil in people" ... maybe, but only some people. But now I work hard (as I should have my whole life, if I wasn't blinded) to MAKE SURE WE LIMIT POWER. "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts, absolutely," is still true, sadly. Even a "benevolent tyrant" like Bill Gates (if you want to look at it that way) felt free to CRUSH OTHERS, SO HE MIGHT LIVE, etc.

Not quite sure where you're getting such naivete on my part, but it most certainly is misattributed. History has shown over and over that tyrants eventually get their comeuppance. This still really has nothing to do with anything I said.

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I'm sure Gary Larson is one of the kindest, most artistic, altruistic, etc. persons who ever lived.

I really don't care if he's the Devil Incarnate. He still should have the right to a degree of control over his creative endeavors.

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It's sad that he "shouldn't be able to have $100,000,000" or whatever, just so we can ensure NO EVIL PEOPLE DO, EITHER.

huh? So that's what this whole rambling mess has been about? Look, I couldn't care less if Gary Larson makes $10 or $10,000,000,000. The point ulimately is that his creations should be his to distribute _alone_ (unless he delegates someone else to the task). If there are limits on personal property rights, then there truly _are_ no personal property rights (just the illusion thereof).

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Ultimately, I hope, we'll be able to scientifically pinpoint who is good and who is evil, and by how much, then these restrictions can perhaps be lifted -- or at least modified.

I can see that this thread deserves to be Godwined.

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(A good ex. is Dean Kamen, whose "Ginger/IT" invention I was just reading about on HOWITWORKS.COM. Merely by one of his prev. inventions [the "vertical wheelchair," or whatever its "real name" is] I believe we should vote his "cap lifted" for the rest of his life -- I think it's such an astounding gift to humanity. [And, BTW, if we DO life in a truly compassionate world / nation, I think EVERYONE IN A WHEELCHAIR SHOULD GET ONE ***TODAY*** -- and we worry about the cost (to the taxpayer and/or w/the infirmed person's econ. contributions) LATER.] Obviously, the astounding details involved in "eval. all of human life" must be done by supercomputers, A.I., etc., since it prob. involves billions - octillions of "calcs" to even "arrive at a good sort order," etc.)

Well, normally, I hesitate to try and play arm-chair psychologist in such a limited-information medium, but perhaps you should seek some therapy. To assume that you have any sort of right to dictate what others should or shouldn't be able to do on this micromanaged level has a very distinct name...fascism. You're in good company with other megalomaniacal leaders from the past. What's your real name, so I know not to ever vote for you should you run for elective office?

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It's shocking & horrifying for people of goodwill to have these concepts of SCIENTIFIC TESTS of "real-life matters" crest their consciousness, I know -- I felt that shock way back when, too.

It's not shocking at all. There have been plenty of other lunatics who thought it was needed as well.

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[LOOK UP THE MEANING OF WELTSCHMERZ (it's in the dic.) ... and ask yourself WHY IT WAS COINED.]

Probably for the same reason as schadenfreude, because it described a state that some people possess. The world is not a perfect place, and will never be so.

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But many of the great minds of this world

More argumentum ad vericundiam which is meaningless without the actual statements and context of the great minds which you claim support you.

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agree w/me that these SCIENTIFIC TESTS must be applied -- at the very least so good people will be LEFT ALONE, and not constantly accosted by the psychos.

I'd be willing to bet, though, that not a single pair of these "great minds" could agree on a set of classifications which would determine what is a psycho from a non-psycho.

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M.Scott Peck, M.D.'s "People of the Lie: The Hope for Healing Human Evil" (a ref. I've made in other posts) is an indispensable read, and will lead you to the other great minds that have also realized the absolute truth that there is in fact human evil, and something must be done about it. No matter how much "it breaks our hearts to acknowledge."

"Reading, after a certain age, diverts the mind too much from its creative pursuits. Any man who reads too much and uses his own brain too little falls into lazy habits of thinking." - Einstein

Posted by Toby on 04-02-2001 04:03 PM:

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Originally posted by bkbk
What if A.Hitler

Oops...hadn't noticed that you had already Godwined the thread. Figures. One last thought on age...
"The older I grow the more I distrust the familiar doctrine that age brings wisdom." - H. L. Mencken

Posted by bkbk on 04-02-2001 07:18 PM:

T:
I'm heartened you seem to have worked on your educ., and I trust you will gain the greater wisdom you are now missing w/age. Remember to focus on your abilites of concentration and extrapolation.

I believe Mencken's recently been exposed as a racist, FYI. And a single source quote such as this doesn't carry a lot of weight, even if it contains some grain of truth. He's fighting against the many sources I provided, and others I could. One other that comes to mind off the top of my head (as all of these writings in these postings are) is how Adam Corolla, on radio's "LoveLine," always asks the age of the caller -- and explains why from time to time; tune it in.

Is the Einstein quote an actual one from the man? He, too, is fighting against many sources. He is, though, the man. (Strange after all this time my being familiar w/so many A.E. quotes -- but not this one.)
It begs a number of questions, from A.E. whose great work ended early in his life & whose later years seemed to be quite wasted.
It would be interesting to know what "certain age" he was referring to.

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Posted by Toby on 04-02-2001 09:06 PM:

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Originally posted by bkbk
I'm heartened you seem to have worked on your educ.,

Too bad you can't work on your blindness.

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and I trust you will gain the greater wisdom you are now missing w/age.

Exactly how old are you? Undeserved condescension will gain you no points. It wouldn't have with your hero Einstein, either. He (unlike yourself) was quite humble and did not think his intellect was as impressive as you seem to (he was also an INTP and would likely have been quite unimpressed with argumentum ad vericundiam as well).

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Remember to focus on your abilites of concentration and extrapolation.

Both are quite fine. I see that you still resort to your ability of non sequitur again, though.

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I believe Mencken's recently been exposed as a racist, FYI.

Irrelevant. His name on the quote was attribution only. It has no bearing on the weight of the sentiment.

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And a single source quote such as this doesn't carry a lot of weight, even if it contains some grain of truth.

I see that you need to work on your abilities of concentration and extrapolation as well.

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He's fighting against the many sources I provided, and others I could.

You didn't provide any relevant sources. You provided what amount to sound bites. Without context, they are just as meaningless as the return quotes. BTW, you still never clarified exactly what you were trying to refute by bringing my age into question. Are you intentionally trolling?

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One other that comes to mind off the top of my head (as all of these writings in these postings are) is how Adam Corolla, on radio's "LoveLine," always asks the age of the caller -- and explains why from time to time; tune it in.

ROLFMAO...so now you're going to use that buffoon as having some weight in your ageism argument? While eMpTyV had some entertainment value when it first appeared, it has become the height of vapidity (Loveline included). I've seen it a time or two before, and Corolla doesn't deserve to lecture anyone on age or maturity (especially considering his other show shows that he hasn't progressed much since puberty).

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Is the Einstein quote an actual one from the man?

I never personally heard it uttered by him, but its attributed to him often enough (and sounds like something he would have said) to probably be true.

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He, too, is fighting against many sources.

One would think that with all of your wisdom, you'd realize that the number of people who hold an idea bears little to no connection to its validity.

"1500 years ago, everybody "knew" that the earth was the center of the universe. 500 years ago, everybody "knew" that the earth was flat. And 15 minutes ago, you "knew" that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll "know" tomorrow." - K, MiB

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He is, though, the man.

He was A man. Nothing more...nothing less.

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(Strange after all this time my being familiar w/so many A.E. quotes -- but not this one.)

Not strange at all. There seem to be lots of things that you aren't familiar with despite your "advanced wisdom". I'm reminded of a travelling minstrel who said, "Arrogance and ignorance go hand in hand". You've still never revealed your age, though. "Much fear I sense in this one." - Yoda

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It begs a number of questions, from A.E. whose great work ended early in his life & whose later years seemed to be quite wasted.

Depends on how one defines waste.

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It would be interesting to know what "certain age" he was referring to.

He probably wasn't referring to a specific age at all. He was smart enough to realize that no two men are exactly alike and making blanket statements about a particular age is foolish.

Posted by bkbk on 04-06-2001 09:23 AM:

Enough of your infantile prattlings, young one.
You'll grow out of them.

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Posted by Toby on 04-06-2001 02:11 PM:

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Originally posted by bkbk
Enough of your infantile prattlings, young one.
You'll grow out of them.

You've still never revealed your age. Even if you were 100, though, it still wouldn't justify your arrogant, condescending attitude.

Couple of parting thoughts...

"Pompous phrases and words give me goose bumps whether they deal with the theory of relativity or with anything else." - Einstein

I wouldn't be surprised if the reason you're reluctant to admit your age is that you're not even in your thirties yet, and you don't want to lose your "mature" poseur image.

Posted by Confused on 04-12-2001 06:20 AM:

Re: RE

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Originally posted by kscat
That's right Toby! In fact I was out in the stores again today and guess what, Still no Edge to be seen. Palm at least told us it would be a month before they would be available. Beleive it or not, everyone doesn't just order right off the web. I would rather see and feel before I buy.
But hey, I'm not upset. Instead of wasting my money on an Edge which I would have done, I'll be getting a color m505. At least I know when to expect the 505, who knows how long it will take handspring to deal with their shipping and supply issues.

"At least I know when to expect the 505"

still think so ???? ...
http://cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-5567210.html

Posted by dick-richardson on 04-12-2001 03:52 PM:

I'm well impressed, Toby!

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Abortion: Darwinism at its finest.

Posted by Toby on 04-12-2001 04:21 PM:

Re: RE

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Originally posted by kscat
Toby has no balls

...says the person who is busy deleting all their posts about how Palm gets their products to the stores on time when Handspring "doesn't". Here's a towel to wipe that egg off your face...

Posted by John Nowak on 04-12-2001 08:01 PM:

Re: Re: RE

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Originally posted by Toby

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Originally posted by kscat
Toby has no balls

Ah, but he does at least have a working brain.

Posted by Pztachyo on 04-24-2001 02:06 PM:

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4) Famous quote along these lines: "If you're a republican before [some age over 21, I believe -- but maybe 35 or 40], you have no heart; if not after this age, no head."

Actually, the quote is more like, if you're under 30 and not a liberal, you have no heart; if you're over 30 and not a conservative, you have no brain. Like most quotes along those lines, it's kinda pithy, but really not much to base one's life philosophy upon.

Okay yo....Churchill, Winston Churchill: "If you're not a liberal at twenty, you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty, you have no brain."

This is the same man, mind, who when accused by the British Admiralty of messing with the traditions of the British Navy, declared: "The traditions of the British Navy are three: rum, sodomy, and the lash."

Posted by pdafreak on 04-25-2001 02:16 PM:

And this has what to do with the Edge??

Posted by dick-richardson on 04-25-2001 02:58 PM:

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Originally posted by pdafreak

And this has what to do with the Edge??

It was the progression from one of the original poster's complaint that Handspring didn't deserve this person's business because they (Handspring) couldn't have the devices in the store when they announced it. The person was going to buy one of the new Palm devices when they (Palm) managed to ship the announced devices to retail outlets in order to show his/her displeasure.

As Toby mentioned, bkbk Godwined (I'd never heard the name used as a verb, but it works quite well) the thread in order to post some more of his inane ramblings. Interesting to note that Toby, in the span of a page and a half, thoroughly silenced bkbk. I had been trying to do that for many pages across many threads. I have much learning to do.

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