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Posted by John Nowak on 08-31-2000 08:45 PM:
quote:
Originally posted by argent
On another subject: has anyone tried one of those sealed ruggedized cases you're supposed to be able to use your Palm through? Do they actually work?
A long time ago, I got an AquaPac for a GPS which fit my Palm device. It's a sort of thick baggie with a seal at one end. I used it on a trip on Long Island Sound. You can indeed work through the plastic, although it's a bit difficult to get Graffiti to work through it.
Posted by jacobp on 09-01-2000 02:03 AM:
research
I have done research, 318 is a valid patent. I also found a MR.Bozecks who's been using the product since 1988!
Anybody else have any comments?
Posted by Inventorb on 09-01-2000 02:20 AM:
Re: research
quote:
Originally posted by jacobp
I have done research, 318 is a valid patent. I also found a MR.Bozecks who's been using the product since 1988!
Anybody else have any comments?
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I remember Mr. Bozeks he purchased several packages of screen protectors.
Mr. Bozeks installed them on Everything from his Nintendo Game Boy, to his Microwave to his brother's belongings. Here are some additional comments for your review.
Michael Palmer 06-03-2000
"Yes, you may quote my statement. Not only do they provide screen protection without any loss
of legibility, the stylus tip seems to glide effortlessly over the surface of the protector. I cannot
imagine going back to my previous screen protection.
I am sincere in what I have to say about your product, and I am completely satisfied.
Thank you for your efforts."
Michael Palmer
April 26, 2000
Dr Joose wrote
Dear Bill,
"As soon as i use these,I will order more............Thanks again"il 18, 2000
Tuesday, April 25, 2000
Paul Kowalski wrote
"I'll be passing your web address around to some people I know who have new Visors. It's the least I can do, since
I like your consumer skills."
June 7, 1999
Wal-Mart Innovation Network:Click Here
Of over 400 recent inventions received by WIN our products ranking was within the top 95%.
February 27, 1995
N. Franson: Operator of a $500,000.00 ADAR System, Located in an Aircraft setting.
" I am happy to report that the glare problem on the GPS receiver seems to be greatly reduced."
January 20, 1994
State of Arizona Business Connection Advisor; Masters Degree in Business
Administration., Additional Degrees in Marketing, and Design.
" V.S. PROTECTIVE SHIELD holds the market, Tiger by the tail."
December 12, 1993
Art Chamberlain; Professional Fishing Guide, Life member of B.A.S.S.
" I no longer have to worry about scratching my screen when I wipe off Dust or
water Droplets."
December 12, 1993
David Hoy; Crew Leader, City of Mesa, Arizona.
" I have nothing but good to say about this protective shield."
"Manufacturers and designers of the famous Wrap cases and accessories for the Palm Pilot community"
December 6, 1993
Wal-Mart Innovation Network:
"This means that in comparison with other ideas and inventions
submitted to WIN your project has scored in the top 15%."
May 5, 1993
Leo Dewitt;Consumer
"I'm really satisfied with them, so much so that I've ordered another so that I might cut it to fit the
Displays on my hand held GPS unit & also the Display on my new pinpoint trolling motor.
A good & Innovative Product."
See http://www.vsps.com/
For the best and longest selling screen protectors.
Thank You
Inventor__________________
http://www.vsps.com/
Posted by skaman35 on 09-01-2000 03:44 AM:
GRRRRR!!
INVENTOR, IN ORDER FOR EVERYBODY TO DISCUSS SCREEN PROTECTORS, YOU NEED TO EITHER WRITE SOMETHING OF USE OR JUST READ THE FORUM. FOR CHRISTS SAKE (sorry if i offend anyone by the use of that statement) STOP PROMOTING YOUR PRODUCT!!!! THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR THAT. ITS AS BAD AS SPAM, IF PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO READ THAT THEY MAY GO TO YOUR WEBSITE WHICH IS LINKED IN A!L!L! OF YOUR POSTS. YOU ARE WASTING SPACE ON THIS FORUM AND ONLY MAKING IT SO THE PEOPLE WHO DO STAY ON TOPIC HAVE TO SCROLL DOWN AND DOWN AND DOWN. I HAVE NO IDEA IF YOU USE ANY OTHER IDENTITY AT VISORCENTRAL, BUT QUITE FRANKLY I REALLY DON'T CARE. IT'S LIKE YOU AIM FOR CONTROVERSY. I WOULD APPRECIATE IT AND I'M SURE OTHERS WOULD TOO IF YOU KEEP YOUR POSTS BRIEF AND TO THE POINT. I AM NOT OFFENDING YOUR PRODUCT OR YOU, I'VE NEVER USED YOUR PRODUCT, BUT WHO KNOWS, I MAY.
P.S SORRY FOR USING ALL CAPITALS, BUT ME BEING RATHER IGNORANT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE BOLD.
P.S.S I HAVE WRITTEN ON RIGHTWRITES, AND DONT MIND THEM. I LIKE THE PAPER FEEL. I ALSO GOT A NO NAME OFF OF EBAY, RATHER MY FRIEND GAVE THE ONE FROM EBAY TO ME. IT WAS GOOD BUT IT DIDNT LAST LONG DUE TO SCRATCHING AND I HAD PLENTY OF BUBBLES.
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Posted by KennethAaron425 on 09-01-2000 04:07 AM:
Just ignore him...
Please don't turn this into another patent forum... warman and his multiple identities are just full of hot-air (not to mention something else that I can't write on this board 
). I'm sure if we keep the dicussion on topic Warman will go back to his fishing hole.
Anyway, thanks for the reply "argent". I have not encounter any digitizer problems when I loosen the screws. Recently, I found that I could skip the loosening of the screws step, and just slide the sheet under the visor's plastic rims. The sheet protector material is very thin and slide easily in.
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KAY
Posted by Inventorb on 09-01-2000 05:13 AM:
Re: GRRRRR!!
quote:
Originally posted by skaman35
INVENTOR, IN ORDER FOR EVERYBODY TO DISCUSS SCREEN PROTECTORS, YOU NEED TO EITHER WRITE SOMETHING OF USE OR JUST READ THE FORUM. FOR CHRISTS SAKE (sorry if i offend anyone by the use of that statement) STOP PROMOTING YOUR PRODUCT!!!! THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR THAT. ITS AS BAD AS SPAM, IF PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO READ THAT THEY MAY GO TO YOUR WEBSITE WHICH IS LINKED IN A!L!L! OF YOUR POSTS. YOU ARE WASTING SPACE ON THIS FORUM AND ONLY MAKING IT SO THE PEOPLE WHO DO STAY ON TOPIC HAVE TO SCROLL DOWN AND DOWN AND DOWN. I HAVE NO IDEA IF YOU USE ANY OTHER IDENTITY AT VISORCENTRAL, BUT QUITE FRANKLY I REALLY DON'T CARE. IT'S LIKE YOU AIM FOR CONTROVERSY. I WOULD APPRECIATE IT AND I'M SURE OTHERS WOULD TOO IF YOU KEEP YOUR POSTS BRIEF AND TO THE POINT. I AM NOT OFFENDING YOUR PRODUCT OR YOU, I'VE NEVER USED YOUR PRODUCT, BUT WHO KNOWS, I MAY.
P.S SORRY FOR USING ALL CAPITALS, BUT ME BEING RATHER IGNORANT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE BOLD.
P.S.S I HAVE WRITTEN ON RIGHTWRITES, AND DONT MIND THEM. I LIKE THE PAPER FEEL. I ALSO GOT A NO NAME OFF OF EBAY, RATHER MY FRIEND GAVE THE ONE FROM EBAY TO ME. IT WAS GOOD BUT IT DIDNT LAST LONG DUE TO SCRATCHING AND I HAD PLENTY OF BUBBLES.
If I made a long reply on the writeright screen protector.
Would you mind? Or Would you still be upset with the posting?
Thank You
Inventor__________________
http://www.vsps.com/
Posted by ToolkiT on 09-01-2000 06:13 AM:
Re: Re: Re: nuff said
quote:
Originally posted by Inventorb
quote:
Originally posted by MPM
quote:
Originally posted by Henry
It's interesting how as soon as warman comes online, so does one of his supporting buddies with their new account. Look at the time in the posts below!
What does this have to do with the subject matter (Screen Protector)?
Please stay within the forum. "leave this topic to actually discussing the matter at hand... ok?"
Thank You
Inventor
http://www.vsops.com/
Allthought I totally agree with Henry, IventorB has a point (for the first time in his life I guess )
let's keep this discussion clean (and open a new one in the off-topic section where we can all flame our 'friend' Bill...)__________________
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Posted by JHromadka on 09-01-2000 01:39 PM:
I really don't want to move this thread to Off Topic, but I will if Warman's patent comes up again.
Don't use the words Warman or patent in any of your postings.
Please don't use all-caps. To find out how to use special formatting like bold, there is something at the top of a posting that says "Posts: HTML code is OFF. Smilies are ON. vB code is ON. [IMG] code is ON." Click vB code to find out how.
On the subject of the Aquapac products, I did a review: http://www.visorcentral.com/vcrevie...?id=48&pv=1
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Old Friend
Posted by argent on 09-01-2000 11:02 PM:
Have you had a chance to use the Aquapac case "live" since that review? How did it hold out?
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Posted by Inventorb on 09-09-2000 06:50 PM:
Re: GRRRRR!!
quote:
Originally posted by skaman35
I WOULD APPRECIATE IT AND I'M SURE OTHERS WOULD TOO IF YOU KEEP YOUR POSTS BRIEF AND TO THE POINT.
Is this brief and to the point?
ConceptKitchen and Fellows could have challenged my Intellectual property long
ago. Why haven't they challenged it. I'll tell you why they have no chances of prevailing the
challenge. Their challenge is approximately 80-90% in my favor and 10-20 % in their favor.
If my intellectual property is unenforceable then why haven't they challenged me!!!
I guarantee you will see.
Thank You
Inventor
http://www.vsps.com/abstract33.htm
[Edited by Inventorb on 09-13-2000 at 01:03 PM]__________________
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Posted by argent on 09-09-2000 06:59 PM:
quote:
Originally posted by Inventorb
ConceptKitchen and Fellows could have challenged my Intellectual property long ago. Why haven't they challenged it.
Because they have no need to. Ignoring you seems to work well enough for them.
Over on comp.sys.palmtops.pilot the folks who make the non-adhesive protectors... NuShields, I believe they are called... tell us that you're harassing them too, and their product clearly wouldn't violate your patent even if it were valid.
What intellectual property are you protecting there?__________________
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Posted by Inventorb on 09-09-2000 09:18 PM:
quote:
Originally posted by argent
quote:
Originally posted by Inventorb
ConceptKitchen and Fellows could have challenged my Intellectual property long ago. Why haven't they challenged it.
Because they have no need to. Ignoring you seems to work well enough for them.
Over on comp.sys.palmtops.pilot the folks who make the non-adhesive protectors... NuShields, I believe they are called... tell us that you're harassing them too, and their product clearly wouldn't violate your patent even if it were valid.
What intellectual property are you protecting there?
This just proves that no one can hide. It also proves that I am not just picking on one
source, but the entire industry. They need to comply. I like when you bring these
important facts to the surface. You are doing a wonderful job.
Thank You
Inventor
P.S. NuShields was notified at the end of August.__________________
http://www.vsps.com/
Posted by VoxDei on 09-09-2000 09:20 PM:
The AquaPac is a great case!
quote:
Originally posted by argent
Have you had a chance to use the Aquapac case "live" since that review? How did it hold out?
In a sense this is "on topic" since the AquaPac is made to protect not just the screen, but the entire Visor, right?!
I ordered one just prior to a vacation where I knew I'd be on a beach by a lake. As for as I know TotalCase is the only outlet in the US through which the case can be purchased. I had tremendous problems dealing with the company in that it took several emails to get the case, even though they had charged my credit card three weeks before my first inquiry! Once I began asking what had happened to the case I got a couple of "it's just been sent" replies and was finally told that they had no record of my purchase! Since I had kept ALL of the email correspondence (including their original receipt to me) I was able to provide this to prove that I had actually purchased the thing, at which point they became incredibly curt in their email, but at least the case finally arrived (three days before I was scheduled to leave!) So, there is THAT caution about dealing with TotalCase - if you order one from them stay on top of the order!
As for the case itself, it performed splendly. Once I got the hang of "setting" the carry string the holders, I was able to get the Visor in and out easily, it was easy to write on and use, and the waterproof qualities were flawless. I was able to carry my Visor around with me and use it whenever I needed it without the least problem. One obvious point, though, if you need to do a reset, you'll have to take the Visor out of the case. I noticed that in the review, James had his Visor in "head first" so that you could just pick it up and have it facing you. I tried that at first but found that it didn't quite fit in the case just right, so I put my Visor in the way the case was designed for it. No problems - AquaPac is a great case for the specialized situation. Good luck!__________________
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Posted by argent on 09-09-2000 10:57 PM:
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[Edited by argent on 09-09-2000 at 06:02 PM]
Posted by markr13 on 09-16-2000 11:05 PM:
quote:
Originally posted by Inventorb
Over on comp.sys.palmtops.pilot the folks who make the non-adhesive protectors... NuShields, I believe they are called... tell us that you're harassing them too, and their product clearly wouldn't violate your patent even if it were valid.
What intellectual property are you protecting there?
This just proves that no one can hide. It also proves that I am not just picking on one
source, but the entire industry. They need to comply. I like when you bring these
important facts to the surface. You are doing a wonderful job.
Thank You
Inventor
P.S. NuShields was notified at the end of August. [/B]
As the makers of NuShields, please note that we do not and never have infringed on Mr. Warman's patent. We have been in communication with his attorney and he seems satisfied (owing to a lack of response) with our position.
On the topic of screen protectors-
NuShields are made from hard, tough, scratch resistant plastics that far outlast the vinyl screen protectors that Mr. Warman or Concept Kitchen (Fellows) sell. If you're interested in learning more, please visit our site at http://www.NuShield.net.
Posted by Inventorb on 09-17-2000 01:18 AM:
quote:
Originally posted by markr13
quote:
Originally posted by Inventorb
Over on comp.sys.palmtops.pilot the folks who make the non-adhesive protectors... NuShields, I believe they are called... tell us that you're harassing them too, and their product clearly wouldn't violate your patent even if it were valid.
What intellectual property are you protecting there?
This just proves that no one can hide. It also proves that I am not just picking on one
source, but the entire industry. They need to comply. I like when you bring these
important facts to the surface. You are doing a wonderful job.
Thank You
Inventor
P.S. NuShields was notified at the end of August.
As the makers of NuShields, please note that we do not and never have infringed on Mr. Warman's patent. We have been in communication with his attorney and he seems satisfied (owing to a lack of response) with our position.
On the topic of screen protectors-
NuShields are made from hard, tough, scratch resistant plastics that far outlast the vinyl screen protectors that Mr. Warman or Concept Kitchen (Fellows) sell. If you're interested in learning more, please visit our site at http://www.NuShield.net.
[/B]
The notice you received at the end of August from my Attorney said you are an
Infringer. Mark if you continue your B.S. I can post the letter. Do not lie to these
people. This is only an effort on your part to boost your sales of a product that has
changed several times do to defects (rings), or trying to get around me.
Thank You
Inventor__________________
http://www.vsps.com/
Posted by markr13 on 09-17-2000 01:31 AM:
quote:
[i]
As the makers of NuShields, please note that we do not and never have infringed on Mr. Warman's patent. We have been in communication with his attorney and he seems satisfied (owing to a lack of response) with our position.
On the topic of screen protectors-
NuShields are made from hard, tough, scratch resistant plastics that far outlast the vinyl screen protectors that Mr. Warman or Concept Kitchen (Fellows) sell. If you're interested in learning more, please visit our site at http://www.NuShield.net.
[/B]
The notice you received at the end of August from my Attorney said you are an
Infringer. Mark if you continue your B.S. I can post the letter. Do not lie to these
people. This is only an effort on your part to boost your sales of a product that has
changed several times do to defects (rings), or trying to get around me.
Thank You
Inventor [/B][/QUOTE]
Wrong! The note I received from your attorney said that "as presently advised" i.e. YOU TOLD HIM that I was infringing. My letter to him was never replied to, so I am left with the impression that your attorney must agree with my position that we do not infringe. Anyone can read your patent and come to the conclusion that a screen protector that does not rely on adhesion does not infringe a patent that requires adhesion in the claims. Further, we are always improving our product. And you are correct, our latest version of NuShield screen protectors uses a custom designed film system and are completely free of "Newton rings" . We never needed to "get around you" since we never infringed on your patent in any of NuShield's versions.
This entire discussion is off-topic and does not belong here. I, for one, will not continue this and hope you do the same.
Posted by MarkEagle on 09-17-2000 01:46 AM:
quote:
Originally posted by JHromadka
I really don't want to move this thread to Off Topic, but I will if Warman's patent comes up again.
Don't use the words Warman or patent in any of your postings.
James has already warned everyone... now it's my turn. Let's not let this thread digress the way all the others before it have. If it does, James (or myself) will have no choice but to either move it or close it altogether.
My suggestion to anyone wanting to challenge Mr. Warman's patent would be to email him directly. This is not the place for that type of discussion.__________________
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Posted by BEN on 09-17-2000 01:50 AM:
GO MARK. Make this the first thread that you have to close with your moderator postition.
BEN
PS Congrads on the upgrade to VC staff. 
Posted by Inventorb on 09-17-2000 01:55 AM:
quote:
Originally posted by markr13
quote:
[i]
As the makers of NuShields, please note that we do not and never have infringed on Mr. Warman's patent. We have been in communication with his attorney and he seems satisfied (owing to a lack of response) with our position.
On the topic of screen protectors-
NuShields are made from hard, tough, scratch resistant plastics that far outlast the vinyl screen protectors that Mr. Warman or Concept Kitchen (Fellows) sell. If you're interested in learning more, please visit our site at http://www.NuShield.net.
The notice you received at the end of August from my Attorney said you are an
Infringer. Mark if you continue your B.S. I can post the letter. Do not lie to these
people. This is only an effort on your part to boost your sales of a product that has
changed several times do to defects (rings), or trying to get around me.
Thank You
Inventor [/B]
Wrong! The note I received from your attorney said that "as presently advised" i.e. YOU TOLD HIM that I was infringing. My letter to him was never replied to, so I am left with the impression that your attorney must agree with my position that we do not infringe. Anyone can read your patent and come to the conclusion that a screen protector that does not rely on adhesion does not infringe a patent that requires adhesion in the claims. Further, we are always improving our product. And you are correct, our latest version of NuShield screen protectors uses a custom designed film system and are completely free of "Newton rings" . We never needed to "get around you" since we never infringed on your patent in any of NuShield's versions.
[/B][/QUOTE]
This subject should not be in the off topic area. This is directly on point. Just because you do not like the conversation does not mean it should go to the off topic area.
The "Newton rings" prove infringement. Also Claim # 9 "without an intermediate
adhesive layer therebetween"
You need to read the claims a little better.
"a thin, flexible, transparent film of polymeric material of generally constant
thickness having a major surface portion completely in direct
contact with
and releasably adhered to the outermost major surface portion of
the face
plate without an intermediate adhesive layer therebetween.
If your product does not touch the screen then how does it work?. The x - y
positions would not pick up or input into the instrument.
Thank You
Inventor__________________
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