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Sorry Josh. I missed your last reply.

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Slight side effects? Did you read the links? Would you like more? And exactly how did I compare Aspartame to Cigarettes? You need to work on reading for comprehension. I was merely pointing out a person's propensity to rationalize poor choices WRT their health. At no point did I insinuate that Aspartame was as dangerous as cigarettes, nor did I compare the amount of evindence for one against the other. I have plenty of fun arguing the points I intend to make, I don't need your help making them for me.

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What constitutes "abnormal" use? Snorting? Ingesting Aspartame, a common substitute for sugar, is not good for your body. The more you ingest, the worse it gets.

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Labelled safe by an FDA you previously bashed. Would you please pick a side of the argument you wish to argue and stay with it? And how is sugar a bigger and more deadly problem? Almost everything you eat has sugar. Limiting sugar intake is, more or less, pointless. Unless you're eating excessive amounts (more than 2000 Cal/day), the sugar is getting burned off.

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I have. Would you like links?

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No, that was the case for saccharine. If you'd bother reading about it, you'd realize that. And would you rather testing were done on humans? Rats and chimps are used because of their genetic similarity to humans. The only thing closer would be man himself.

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I agree. But when scientific report after scientific report backs the info up, you have to start to wonder.

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You don't bother to read links, do you?

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the information may have been written in the form of a witch hunt, but you conveniently ignore the reports they were based on - which happen to be solid science

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I always dismiss information because it's coming from a personal source without actually reading it and finding out if there may just be a kernel of truth to it.

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Of course I did. As it stands, not much was gleaned by it.

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Here are some of the alternative articles and reports that support Aspartame.

http://www.aspartame.org/science.html

I'm still reading through information.

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Originally posted by markleetoo
Yes, I read the links and as I said they sound as biased as you regarding the subject. Once again, thank you for posting a more non-biased article after those. I do not need any help with reading comprehension. Regarding the cigarettes vs. Aspartame comment, throughout this entire thread you have been you have been making an arguments and providing links that would suggest support of that comment. I don't believe I have been helping you argue your points, maybe you have confused it with agreement. I apologize if you take offense to that.

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It's all a personal choice, of course (how many people still smoke cigarettes - regardless of the knowledge of what it does to your body?)

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I don't know but, intend to find out and will share what I find as you have. I don't anticipate finding much that's conclusive.

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Could you please tell me where I have bashed the FDA??? Sounds like there are reading comprehension problems on both sides here...I believe that I have stood by my argument that Aspartame is ok if one feel comfortable with it.

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Yes, I would very much like to have conclusive information from the AMA, not from personal Internet sites with individuals stating their opinions.

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And what dated material are you reading. Show me some statistics.

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In fact I did and gave my opinion. I guess it's kind of difficult to hear others opinions when you only hear your own.

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I have not but, when I comment or make any general statement about reports that you refer too, you say that I can't pick a side of the argument to stay on.

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As do I. I have been and will continue to research both sides for myself.

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Not sure what you mean. I really don't think anything has been discovered here other than opinions.

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To Josh:

Let's agree to disagree. I have posted a web site with creditable links as well.

Mark-

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Originally posted by markleetoo
To Josh:

Let's agree to disagree. I have posted a web site with creditable links as well.

Mark-

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I agree (both to disagree and that you site is credible). My problem is not one of credibility, rather one of prematurity.

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Originally posted by markleetoo
Thanks for the info. and see ya around the site.

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Well, I have to tell you that I enjoyed the ongoing commentary, although somewhat argumentative.

I could stand to lose about 5-7 pounds to look my best. But my concern is for that of my boyfriend. He is overweight by, I would guess, 75 lbs. He knows that overeating, eating the wrong things, drinking alcohol and lack of exercise is his problem, but he won't do anything to change these habits. I have dropped hints like telling him how much I enjoy swimming laps every day and that I just bought a Bowflex, but I don't want to offend him by coming right out and saying that he needs to lose weight. I just don't want him to have health problems and he's setting himself up for some serious ones. Plus I'm afraid that his lifestyle will drag my good habits down and then I will have a weight problem.

Any suggestions?

Tell him straight out. Hinting won't get the point across. If that doesn't work, start mentioning how turned on you get thinking about skinny guys.

Come to think of it, tell him you get turned on by skinny guys first.

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Well, I have to tell you that I enjoyed the ongoing commentary, although somewhat argumentative.

I could stand to lose about 5-7 pounds to look my best. But my concern is for that of my boyfriend. He is overweight by, I would guess, 75 lbs. He knows that overeating, eating the wrong things, drinking alcohol and lack of exercise is his problem, but he won't do anything to change these habits. I have dropped hints like telling him how much I enjoy swimming laps every day and that I just bought a Bowflex, but I don't want to offend him by coming right out and saying that he needs to lose weight. I just don't want him to have health problems and he's setting himself up for some serious ones. Plus I'm afraid that his lifestyle will drag my good habits down and then I will have a weight problem.

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Thanks for the suggestion Josh. Although to be honest, skinny guys don't do it for me.

I love the Bowflex. It seemed awkward at first but the more I use it the smoother it is. I like the fact that I can do so many exercises with it unlike free weights. It helps to have a partner that can change rods for you so there is less pausing between exercises. I got mine from a friend for $500. What a steal!

My boyfriend likes it too, it gives him something to put his luggage on when he comes to see me!

My hope is that once we get married, we can incorporate exercise into our daily life. He loves to golf but most of that time is spent in a cart. Maybe I could convince him to walk the course.

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Originally posted by MisYvon
He loves to golf but most of that time is spent in a cart. Maybe I could convince him to walk the course.

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" But my concern is for that of my boyfriend. He is overweight by, I would guess, 75 lbs. He knows that overeating, eating the wrong things, drinking alcohol and lack of exercise is his problem, but he won't do anything to change these habits. I have dropped hints like telling him how much I enjoy swimming laps every day and that I just bought a Bowflex, but I don't want to offend him by coming right out and saying that he needs to lose weight. I just don't want him to have health problems and he's setting himself up for some serious ones. Plus I'm afraid that his lifestyle will drag my good habits down and then I will have a weight problem.

Any suggestions?"

Try scheduling a date where you go to a park and take a nice walk. You don't have to immediately plunge into a rigorous workout with him. Ramp up. If he is that overweight it'll be much more pleasant for him if you take it easy. Have him over for dinner a lot and make him healthier dinners (without telling him they are "good for him"). Don't "preach" to him, you've probably figured out that we men are big babies and are easily upset by criticism, 'constructive' or not. If you guys get married before you get this settled you'll have a harder time helping him through this. Good luck!

Michael

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Thanks BobbyMike for your suggestions.

I saw the topic (a bit late) but I had to say something. Right now, I am 6'1", and weigh about 205 pounds. I think I should lose 30-40 to be in good shape. Anyway, I spent two years (Sept '98-Sept 2000) in Colombia (South America) as a missionary for my church. Every day, I ate very healthy meals (mostly fruits and vegtables), and I walked everywhere I went. When I left (to go to Colombia), I weighed about the same that I do now. In my first 4 months there, I lost about 50 pounds. I stayed about 150 pounds until returning home, and in the last year, I have gained it all back. Basically, it is because I haven't been eating the same, and I haven't been exercising regularly. Thats the key. If you want to lose weight, go for walks and don't eat so much fat. It is simple. It is a simple matter of disipline.

Too Much

I have seen too much thin folks clianign that they are fat.... We are all being brainwashed by what we see in the mass media...its too bad.

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Originally posted by yardie
I have seen too much thin folks clianign that they are fat.... We are all being brainwashed by what we see in the mass media...its too bad.

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Originally posted by dick-richardson

If that isn't a blatant rationalization, my name isn't dick-richardson.

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I agree that the media makes people in general think that they are fat. I think that people in general are insecure, and thus think that they need to lose weight. Had I not lost a lot of weight, and then gained it back, I wouldn't think that I needed to lose it again, but I guess that is my motivaton...having once been thin. I am in no means fat. I am just a little plump. As for the magizine articles, they are all a joke. Just watch what you eat and exercize.

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Originally posted by chuckster
I agree that the media makes people in general think that they are fat. <snip> As for the magizine articles, they are all a joke. Just watch what you eat and exercize.

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