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Posted by jwhall on 05-09-2001 01:29 AM:

So Handspring's tech support has claimed that this isn't possible... but i'm not gonna give up I've seen the ability to hook a serial Hotsync cable to the bottom of the Prism (and I think the Edge too) and establish a serial PPP link (and thusly a net connection) without having to use a modem. I'm assuming that it's built into OS3.5 and that's why I can't get it to work. I don't have the ability in my Prefs to switch to a direct to serial / usb connection... is there any software out there that can force this to work in OS3.1? Does this all make sense? Thanks for your help, everyone.

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Posted by cayeldo on 05-11-2001 04:40 AM:

Modem Integrated into Mobile Phone

Can't you use the modem which is integrated into a mobile phone to make the PPP connection. I recently bought a cable from www.gomadic.com for my Startac to Visor Deluxe and it works awesome!

-cayeldo

Posted by cpchan on 05-14-2001 07:09 AM:

You don't need PalmOS 3.5, all you need is a hacked verion of LINKDIRECT that uses USB instead of serial. AFAIK, it is only possible under Linux right now, since no one have bothered to hack it for other platforms. The Linux program is called LINKUSB and can be found at

http://sourceforge.net/project/show...p?group_id=1404

It works quite well and I was connected to the Net in no time, although using the Visor from the cradle is a bit ackward. A USB cable should be perfect for this.

Charles

Posted by dvIceT on 05-15-2001 01:28 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by cpchan
. . . A USB cable should be perfect for this.
. . .

It is.

Posted by jwhall on 05-15-2001 08:58 PM:

Sweet Thanks for your help, guys.

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Posted by btabatow on 05-17-2001 10:21 PM:

Elegant method of connection

A serial cradle works for making the connection from the Visor to the PC. However, that's pretty clunky to use.

Here's a more elegant method of doing it, if you don't happen to have a USB port available on your PC or if you don't have a slim USB cable.

The DCH-H9 cable from www.markspace.com has a compact connector which plugs into the Visor (Solo, Deluxe, Platinum, or Prism) and the other end plugs into the PC serial port. This is a 3' cable. It works very nicely for the application which you are mentioning; I've done it.

Posted by BobRus on 05-18-2001 09:50 AM:

HAs nayone found a solution yet to do it on Windows XXXXXXX machines.

BobRus

Posted by MPM on 05-18-2001 09:03 PM:

Does this really work on a VDX?

quote:
Originally posted by btabatow
A serial cradle works for making the connection from the Visor to the PC. However, that's pretty clunky to use.

Here's a more elegant method of doing it, if you don't happen to have a USB port available on your PC or if you don't have a slim USB cable.

The DCH-H9 cable from www.markspace.com has a compact connector which plugs into the Visor (Solo, Deluxe, Platinum, or Prism) and the other end plugs into the PC serial port. This is a 3' cable. It works very nicely for the application which you are mentioning; I've done it.

btabatow,

Are you saying that you have used the MarkSpace DCH-H9 serial cable to connect a Visor Deluxe to a PC (or a Mac, or a Linux box) and got a PPP link from the Visor to the PC to work?

I tried this many months ago and simply could not get it to work. The problem was that in the OS 3.1 Deluxe, the trick of setting the phone number to "00" to force a direct serial connection out the serial port and not "dial" a modem, simply does not work. I looked at the serial port lines and absolutely no data is ever sent out the Visor's serial port.

On the other hand I just yesterday tried the same setup with a Platinum which of course has OS 3.5.2. And it worked great! The difference here was that the Connection and Network panels in OS 3.5.2 give you the "Direct to PC" serial connection option.

I'm very interested in how you got this to work on a Deluxe.

Posted by btabatow on 05-19-2001 04:53 AM:

Connection with Platinum

You're right, that may very well have been with my Platinum.

Posted by mousey on 05-31-2001 01:26 PM:

I've posted a similar question in www.deja.com a while ago about how to get this done. Apparently I had found the following (Hopefully someone might chip in more).

1) Mocha PPP (www.mochasoft.dk) - They work before for me with IRDA (Win95/98) but not via the serial cradle. The hint ? Go get IRLink from www.iscomplete.com (You can even hook up your nokia IRDA enabled phone with it). Sadly, I'm using Win2K now... the IRDA is not supported. I'm kinda stuck.

2) Fancy UNIX solution ? I heard of people getting it work there but I'm not on running UNIX.

3) Anyone knows russian language ? I found an article in www.deja.com about connecting the Visor to Win2k with special modem settings. (try searching the keyword "visor ppp win2000") it's interesting but somehow I don't do russian. I got lost in between...

Oh well, I guess that's all from me... Hopefully someone can shine some light into this issue here. Connecting via the handphone is fairly expensive here (done via IRLink) and I certainly wont consider it a solution for myself.

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Posted by afilep on 05-31-2001 08:31 PM:

Just wondering... Why the heck would you want to use your Visor to establish a Net connection via your PC when you can use the PC itself. It's not like you can move more than a few feet from the PC through which you are connecting anyway. And since that PC is already connected (and has a much bigger screen by the way) why would you want to do that? Am I missing something here?

Posted by mousey on 06-01-2001 03:05 AM:

Oh well, here's something for a thought...

Imagine yourself playing some 3D games in the net (Counterstrike, Half-life, Unreal...) while talking to a friend in ICQ/Yahoo Messenger. Alt-Tab between ICQ/YM and your 3D game is an idea but then again imagine the flexibility of having a visor hooked up to the cradle with your ICQ/YM running separately - sounds nice ?

Then again I am not assuming that everyone is doing the same thing all over the world. Palm users can do it easily (via Mocha PPP) - I certainly wish I would have a better choice than to hook my handphone/cellphone up whenever I wish to use my Palm ICQ or other PalmOS web software.

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Posted by anton on 06-01-2001 01:41 PM:

Ftp access to memplug e.g.

quote:
Originally posted by afilep
Just wondering... Why the heck would you want to use your Visor to establish a Net connection via your PC when you can use the PC itself. It's not like you can move more than a few feet from the PC through which you are connecting anyway. And since that PC is already connected (and has a much bigger screen by the way) why would you want to do that? Am I missing something here?

If one could make a direct PPP-conection with a USB cable, then one could easily modify a FTP client so that it would download large files directly (without storing in the Visor's memory) to a smartmedia card or compactflash card in a memplug springboard. This would make buying a separate card reader unnecessary.

Posted by MPM on 06-01-2001 08:41 PM:

One word: email

quote:
Originally posted by afilep
Just wondering... Why the heck would you want to use your Visor to establish a Net connection via your PC when you can use the PC itself. It's not like you can move more than a few feet from the PC through which you are connecting anyway. And since that PC is already connected (and has a much bigger screen by the way) why would you want to do that? Am I missing something here?

Here's why: email

I want to be able to pick up email from my personal/home email account while at work, reply to the email, and be able to Hotsync the email and my reply back into my home computer for archiving purposes. But I do NOT want my personal email stored on my work computer. Having a PPP link to my work desktop PC would make this possible.

quote:
Originally posted by anton
If one could make a direct PPP-conection with a USB cable, then one could easily modify a FTP client so that it would download large files directly (without storing in the Visor's memory) to a smartmedia card or compactflash card in a memplug springboard. This would make buying a separate card reader unnecessary.

A good card reader only costs $25-$30 and gives you the advantage of being able to very easily manage, move, install, and delete data and apps on the card with your desktop. But I do see the point for when you are away from a desktop PC.

Posted by btabatow on 07-17-2001 04:55 AM:

Direct Serial link

So, if you have an OS which is capable of the direct serial link to a PC (Platinum, Prism) then I would recommend getting a travel hotsync cable, which is way better to use for this application than a serial cradle (try it if you don't believe.)

Such a cable (PDCH-H9) can be obtained at:

www.pcables.com

Posted by Boban on 11-20-2001 10:28 AM:

Direct serial PPP link using the VDx - I made it working

hey I made it. I have my Visor Deluxe connected via serial cradle to W2000. I can use VNC, internet and other software.

If you are still interested I will post a step by step manual how to do it. Its great.

Posted by mousey on 11-21-2001 01:18 AM:

Thanks Boban, I am still interested to know how to achieve it. Hopefully you can post the steps here and let everyone know how to do it.

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Posted by Boban on 11-23-2001 03:06 PM:

ppp, visor and serial cradle

Hi - here are the setting - how to setup Visor Deluxe and W2k Ras

Visor Settings:

Preferences\Modem
Modem: Custom
Speed: 19200
Speaker: Set what do you want
Flow ctl: 0ff
country: Other (but no necesary)
String: ATX4

Preferences\Network:

Service: Some name (PPP Win200 etc)
User Name : your username
Password: your password
Phone: 100 (no 00)

Details\Script
Send: ATQ0V1Z
Delay: 1
Send ATQ0V1Z
Wait for: OK
end

W2K settings

you must copy attached file (mdmvisor.inf) to your Winnt\inf directory

In Control Panel install modem "Handspring: visor via COM port"

restart your computer

Make new network connection (accept incoming connections)

Select your modem "Handspring : visor ...."

Do not allow private connections
Select user who can connect to your W2k

If you have all of this you can press connect in net preferences (on Visor)

wait 10 seconds and turn off Visor and remove it from cradle
wait 10(20 or 30) seconds and turn it on and place back to cradle

then you will get Connection Established

Let me know, if it works to you.

Have a nice day

Boban

mdmvisor.inf (how to make it)

Create new file in c:\winnt\inf and name it mdmvisor.nsf

here is the content of this file:

---------

; Windows Modem Setup File
; Copyright (c) Dmitry Starostin [email protected]
; Manufacturers: Handspring Visor Deluxe

[Version]
Signature="$CHICAGO$"
Class=Modem
ClassGUID={4D36E96D-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}
Provider=%MS%
DriverVer=10/29/1999,5.00.2167.1

[ControlFlags]

[Manufacturer]
%M28% = M28

[M28]
%M2800% = M2800, PNPC031

[M2800]
AddReg=All, M2800Reg, 19200, SERIAL

[All]
HKR,,FriendlyDriver,,Unimodem.vxd
HKR,,DevLoader,,*VCOMM
HKR,,PortSubClass,1,02
HKR,,ConfigDialog,,modemui.dll
HKR,,EnumPropPages,,"modemui.dll,EnumPropPages"

; DeviceTypes
[57600]
HKR,, DCB, 1, 1C,00,00,00, 00,4B,00,00, 15,20,00,00, 00,00, 0a,00, 0a,00, 08, 00, 00, 11, 13, 00, 00, 00

[SERIAL]
HKR,, DeviceType, 1, 00

[M2800Reg] ; VISOR
HKR, Settings, DialPrefix,, ""
HKR,, Properties, 1, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,00, 30,00,00,00, 00,c2,01,00, 00,c2,01,00

HKR, Monitor, 1,, "None"
HKR, Init, 1,, "<cr><lf>CONNECT 19200"
HKR, Init, 2,, "NoResponse"
HKR, Answer, 1,, "<cr><lf>OK<cr><lf>"
HKR, Answer, 2,, "NoResponse"

HKR, Responses, "ATQ0V1Z", 1, 08, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00,00,00,00 ; INFO
HKR, Responses, "ATQ0X4E0", 1, 01, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00,00,00,00 ; RING [1]
HKR, Responses, "ATQ0E0&D0&C1V1S7=90L3DP100", 1, 01, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00, 00,00,00,00 ; INFO

[Strings]
M28 = "Handspring"
M2800 = "Handspring Visor via COM port"
--------

Posted by Xzaver on 11-28-2001 10:53 AM:

Now.....

Everything Has worked well so far., But I have not tested it yet.

So I'll Give you half credit.

Now can it be done with the USB Cradel ?

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Posted by levyd on 12-04-2001 01:25 PM:

soo?????

So whats the deal folks, in summary, straight forward answer:

Is it possible to connect a Visor Deluxe to the internet through a USB cradle?

~dave

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