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Posted by purplemd on 02-13-2001 01:34 AM:

I've NEVER had a successful compacting! It always corrupts my module! I've been careful to not try to overload it, but whatever that magic capacity is, when it is breached, the module compacts...freezes...then says the module is corrupted.

Posted by Fat_Man on 02-13-2001 01:57 AM:

Your module may be defective

quote:
Originally posted by purplemd
I've NEVER had a successful compacting! It always corrupts my module! I've been careful to not try to overload it, but whatever that magic capacity is, when it is breached, the module compacts...freezes...then says the module is corrupted.

I would call Handspring and tell them about your problems. Likely, they will send you a replacement. You should not be have so much problems with compacting, and you should not have to deal with the inconvenence. Call Handspring.

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Posted by DocVisor on 02-13-2001 07:12 PM:

Compacting... .... ... ...

quote:
Originally posted by purplemd
I've NEVER had a successful compacting!

Hey Purple,
Do you have the 8mb Handspring or the Hagiwara 16mb? If its the 8mb Handspring, check the FileMover version. I have heard that people have had better luck avoiding the compacting demon with v1.2.

If you have the Hagiwara 16mb module, try moving the largest file last (e.g. Merck Manual). I did manage to get all the files I wanted on the module (even after an initial compacting freeze) by loading the largest file last (although I'm not sure if this was just coincidence).

-Regards

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Posted by Fat_Man on 02-13-2001 08:46 PM:

Loading the module

Hey Doc,

Here's how I look at it. The compacting program is similar to the defrag. program in the PC. In other words, when the module's memory becomes too fragmented, the filemover would activate the compacting program to re-organize the memory. This fragmentation to the module is due to the moving/adding/deleting of files. Since corruption do occur on rare occasions during the compacting process, I would suggest minimizing the adding and deleting of files in the module. Store only applications and databases that you are less likely to delete in the module. For example, 5MCC, Lexidrugs, Interact, and the Merck manual are likely to stay on my visor for a while so they are stored in the module. However, other files/games that I'm not sure I would want are in my internal memory.

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Posted by JTang on 02-14-2001 01:46 AM:

Re: Loading the module

quote:
Originally posted by Fat_Man
similar to the defrag. program in the PC

Compactor program not like defrag at all. Does just what says, compacts data or compress data to make room for transfer of more data. This why only activated when low resources on module. Disk Defragmenter to rearrange files and unused space on your hard disk so that programs run faster. Compactor program is not for this use. Contact Hagiwara Sys-Com for other information, [email protected]

Posted by EricG on 02-14-2001 04:02 AM:

Errr, ummmm,... JTang I don't agree,

I'd have to go with FAT_MAN on this one.. He's got it right.

If it never finishes compacting, then yes, you may have a bum module.. I see "compacting" message on my Minstrel S and Minijam from time to time. It's doing exactly what FAT_MAN describes.

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Posted by Fat_Man on 02-14-2001 04:55 AM:

Re: Re: Loading the module

Thanks for the supporting words Eric.

quote:
Originally posted by JTang

Compactor program not like defrag at all. Does just what says, compacts data or compress data to make room for transfer of more data. This why only activated when low resources on module. Disk Defragmenter to rearrange files and unused space on your hard disk so that programs run faster.

JTang, if the compacting program actually "COMPRESSES" the data on the module would you not get MORE free memory after the compacting than before? But that's not the case, the same amount of memory exists before and after the process. This is why I think the compacting program merely re-organizes the data in the module, much like a PC's defrag. program.

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Posted by cnegrad on 02-14-2001 02:21 PM:

Handspring 8meg vs. Hagiwara 8meg?

Greetings,

Does anyone have a preference between the Handspring 8meg vs. Hagiwara 8meg? And if so, why?

THanks,
-cnegrad

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Posted by Fat_Man on 02-14-2001 05:34 PM:

Re: Handspring 8meg vs. Hagiwara 8meg?

quote:
Originally posted by cnegrad
Greetings,

Does anyone have a preference between the Handspring 8meg vs. Hagiwara 8meg? And if so, why?

THanks,
-cnegrad

Well, in my opinion, technically they are the same. I have the Hagiwara 16mb module and the Handspring 8mb module, and there is no functional differences between the two. Therefore, I don't think that the two 8mb modules have much of a difference besides the price.

There is however a minor difference in the shape of the modules. The handspring module has the little grove that you can hook you finger into when you remove the module. The Hagiwara lack this grove, it has a ridge at the top edge of the module. Therefore, removing the Hagiwara module is a little more difficult than the Handspring module.

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Posted by purplemd on 02-14-2001 09:05 PM:

Re: Loading the module

quote:
Originally posted by Fat_Man
This fragmentation to the module is due to the moving/adding/deleting of files. Since corruption do occur on rare occasions during the compacting process, I would suggest minimizing the adding and deleting of files in the module. Store only applications and databases that you are less likely to delete in the module.

The problem is that you have to add/delete in order to get the programs on the thing in the first place. It does not seem to like trying to get 6 or 7 megs moved in a group (I have a backup module, so I just do a hard reset, load whatever I want on the 8 meg module on the visor and could just upload everything in one fell swoop). I also does not like reaching the magical and elusive compacting capacity since it tries to compact.

I don't move things back and forth...I just try to move new stuff onto the module. How else can you load the thing?

Purplemd

Posted by mcginnj on 02-14-2001 11:55 PM:

BackUpBuddy and the HSC 16mb module

Hello...

It seems like I remember reading on this message board that someone said BackUpBuddy does NOT backup the 16mb Hagiwara flash module. Does anyone know for sure? I see a "BackUpHSCFlashModule" folder in my Palm backup folder and inside that folder are all the apps that I have on my 16mb Hagiwara flash module. In addition there is a checkoff line in the BackUpBuddy HotSync Manager for "backup apps and data on expansion cards." This would indicate to me that BackUpBuddy does indeed backup the flash module, but I would like someone more knowledgeable to comment.

Thanks,
Jo

Posted by mcginnj on 02-15-2001 01:49 AM:

Addendum to BackUp Buddy question

I sent an e-mail to tech support at Blue Nomad with essentially the same question that I asked the group and this is their reply...

"Thanks for your message. The Backupbuddy option to back up expansion cards has currently been tested with only the handspring 8mb flash card. If the Hs module works the same as the handspring card, this should back it up as well. It appears to be doing the job if you can see the folder there in your backup. As long as you have selected the option in the configuration manager you should be all set!"

Guess that answers the question. Anyone disagree or have further comments?

Jo

Posted by EricG on 02-15-2001 04:04 AM:

I don't know if this has been covered or not, but for those folks with the compacting problem, did they disable any and all hacks? Also make sure that they weren't running them from the module itself..?

-Eric

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Posted by Fat_Man on 02-15-2001 05:44 AM:

Re: Re: Loading the module

quote:
Originally posted by purplemd

The problem is that you have to add/delete in order to get the programs on the thing in the first place.

Purplemd

What I was trying to suggest was to add only the programs that you would likely to keep on the module and minimize the amount of deleting. I beleive that the amount of deleting THEN adding of files is triggering the compacting program.

I believe that using your method of loading you module after a corruption error, clearing the memory of you visor via hard reset--> loading your module's files into you visor--> then transferring files from your visor to the module. In this process, you are only adding to the module. Just moving data into a blank module should NOT trigger the compacting program. At least I don't see why the module would compact (re-organize) itself in this situation. The compacting sequence should not initiate until you try to delete a file(s) and then adding another file.

Purple, from what I had read in your past posts, I think that your module is defective. I have had the 8mb module for over a year and been through countless compacting sequences, and I had only experienced only one or two corruption errors. Both cases I think I accidently overloaded the module. You module should not corrupt on you every time it compacts. You may have gotten that "one bad apple". I suggest that you return the module or get a new one.

Have you tried:
1. like Eric's post above, no hacks in the module.
2. no CPU enhancements like AfterBurner, although I had afterburner installed on my visor deluxe and it compacted successfully everytime.
3. re-formatting you module, then re-load. This will allow you to start from a totally blank slate.

Hope this helps

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Posted by mcginnj on 02-17-2001 08:52 PM:

FileMover software

Hello...

I notice that Handspring has an update for their 8mg flash module software called FileMover. Is this the same software that is on the Hagiwara-sys 16mb module? The software version that came on the 16mb module is 1.01... Handspring's FileMover is updating from v1.0 to 1.1. I am not sure if I am supposed to update or not.

Jo

Posted by Beryl on 02-18-2001 03:42 AM:

RestoreBuddy

Is there any software hope in getting the backed-up files restored to a new module?
There has to be a better way than Filemover.

Posted by argent on 02-18-2001 04:02 AM:

Re: FileMover software

quote:
Originally posted by mcginnj
Hello...

I notice that Handspring has an update for their 8mg flash module software called FileMover.

Where did you find the FileMover 1.1 update?

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Posted by melpich on 02-18-2001 01:54 PM:

I ordered my Hagiwara 16 Meg module from Palmgear.com, even though they said it was on back-order for 2 weeks. To my surprise, it came by priority mail yesterday. Great service, Palmgear! And the module works just fine, no need to upgrade the FileMover application.

Posted by mcginnj on 02-18-2001 07:08 PM:

Handspring FileMover updater

Peter...

The Handspring 8mb flash module update to v1.1 is on their website... www.handspring.com >>> Software links>>> springboards>>>

I don't think it applies to the Hagiwara modules, though. I have had my 16mb flash module from them for about two weeks now, and have had no problems. I did send a e-mail to Hagiwara asking if their FileMover and Handspring's FileMover are one and the same... and will let the group know what they say.

Just my 2�,
Jo

Posted by argent on 02-18-2001 09:22 PM:

Re: Handspring FileMover updater

quote:
Originally posted by mcginnj
www.handspring.com >>> Software links>>> springboards>>>

I see no "Springboards" link on http://www.handspring.com/software/index.jhtml.

Could you double-check and post the complete URL for me?

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