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Posted by kgruscho on 06-13-2001 02:40 AM:

I just noticed, while looking at handspring's site in my debate about whether to buy an edge, that hagiwara has a new module..

It's basically a backup module and an 8 meg module in the same wrapper, the operate independant of each other.

This sounds like the perfect 'leave in Visor' module to me.

(Unless like some people you have to worry about totally destroying your visor, and don't want to leave the backup in the visor)

What I find somewhat sad is the price, 94.95 or so...

I mean it's a deal over buying two seperate modules, but only $20 savings. not that that is bad, I just wish the price of flash memory modules would drop...

Kg

Posted by javabird on 06-13-2001 04:08 AM:

Wow, thanks for the tip. This is exactly what I need!

Posted by GV in Pacifica on 06-13-2001 06:17 AM:

I was doing the same thing trying to decide on whether to get the Edge again or not and found this module. I would have liked this a few months ago but better late than never.

I can't seem to place an order for this module though I keep getting an error from Palmgear guess I'll have to try again tomorrow. Good Eye Kgruscho

Here's the link at Handspring
http://www.handspring.com/products/...updetails.jhtml

Posted by miradu on 06-13-2001 03:28 PM:

wow. Somebody's thinking at Hagiwara. I wouldn't complina about the price becuase a normal Backup is $40, and a normal flash module is $80. That's a $120 value, for only $90!!!! Talk about a steal! :-D j/k

What kind of backup software do they use? If it had scheduld backups it would be SWEET! I also notice it's in color,., why can't HS update their modules to be in color?

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Posted by ksranger on 06-21-2001 03:24 AM:

It's a sweet module! Just got mine today. Install the card and 'Backup' and 'File Mover' automatically appear.

One Problem tho....SilverScreen refuses to start anything located in Flash. Locks up tight..but soft reset fixes. Guess I'll have to wait until SilverScreen is updated and gets along.

I'm using it in a Visor Prism.

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Posted by namja on 06-21-2001 08:45 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by kgruscho
It's basically a backup module and an 8 meg module in the same wrapper, the operate independant of each other.

Wait, so if you fill up the 8 MB in the Visor and 8 MB in the flash, how can you back up 16 MB worth of info?

Posted by ksranger on 06-21-2001 11:45 PM:

Najma...you can't. But...putting stuff on flash that doesn't change/matter works perfectly. I store all my games on flash cause I can re-install them without worrying about a backup. I also store SplashPhoto and all my personal photos on flash. Leaves the internal RAM for stuff that changes often, like Action Names; names, addresses, phone numbers and Databases.

I use Backup Buddy as a secondary backup just in case...just wish it would backup Flash too.

-ksranger-

Posted by josher75 on 06-21-2001 11:59 PM:

my 16 MB flash card SUCKS

I would forwarn anyone thinking of buying a product from Hagiwara I have there 16 MB card & almost everytime I try to load new software it goes into compacting mode & then shows a Fatal Exception Error. So then I have to reload everything back onto the card. All 16 MB through the Visor RAM again. A real pain in the #%%!!! I'm about to sell my card on ebay I'm so fed up with it. It works fine until you try to erase something & then put something new on. And since Hagiwara is based out of Japan there English customer support SUCKS---basically doesn't exist. But enjoy your new cards-- for me I'm going to compactflash (Kopsis) or Memplug.

Posted by ksranger on 06-22-2001 12:24 AM:

From what I've read...the compacting issue has to do with not having enough Internal RAM to process. It has to pull it back over to Internal RAM in increments while it compacts the Flash. If you don't have enough RAM it will choke.

Kinda like trying to use MS's DriveSpace without enough HD Space to process it.

-ksranger-

Posted by josher75 on 06-22-2001 12:57 AM:

i had plenty of internal RAM

The compacting issue can't be due to internal RAM I had 1.5 MB free in RAM & 3 MB free on the card & I was only moving a 2.5 MB program.

Posted by ksranger on 06-22-2001 02:08 AM:

Posted by Gameboy70 on 06-22-2001 02:59 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by miradu2000
I wouldn't complina [sic] about the price becuase a normal Backup is $40, and a normal flash module is $80. That's a $120 value, for only $90!

Another approach is to use the MemPlug with PiBackup, which would run under $100 with a 64MB Smart Media card from NewEgg. The backup image would take up 8MB of the card's memory, but with a 64MB card, the loss is negligible. The only wild card in this is the price on PiDirect, which is TBA.

Posted by Pathdoc on 06-22-2001 02:59 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by ksranger
I use Backup Buddy as a secondary backup just in case...just wish it would backup Flash too.

-ksranger-

When you talk about flash are you 1) talking about a flash memory SpringBoard or 2) the flash memory in a Palm device?

(Since this is VisorCentral, I always assume everyone is talking about a Visor) BB will back up flash SpringBoard modules (check the box backup applications and data on expansion cards). It will not automatically restore a Springboard, however. You would have to do that manually.

I also run games from flash (a ThinModem Plus) as well CpotRun, Browse-It, MultiMail Pro, and a number of technical documents that do not change. The data files stay in internal ram. I have had no problems.

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Posted by ksranger on 06-22-2001 03:15 AM:

Yes, When I said "flash" I was referring to the flash memory in the Hagiwara Backup + 8meg module. The internal memory of the Visors are RAM instead of flash memory They must get constant voltage to keep their data....no battery...and your data goes bye bye. Flash requires voltage when reading/writing only. The data is still there when your battery goes dead.

Thanks for the info on BB. I've been using it for awhile and quite frankly forgot about that option.

-ksranger-

Posted by javabird on 06-22-2001 04:20 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by ksranger
It's a sweet module! Just got mine today. Install the card and 'Backup' and 'File Mover' automatically appear.

-ksranger-

ksranger, after backing up your Visor, is 8MB still left in the Flash module? Or is the 8MB total for both the Backup and Flash? In other words, after backing up, how much memory is left over for extra storage? The website doesn't really make this clear. .

Posted by PDACPA on 06-22-2001 05:00 PM:

to josher75

I have a VPR and a 16mg from hawigara. I had the same problem when I tried to move the Noah dictionary. The whole key is to have enough free ram on the internal VPR when moving large files to the card. Another posted tipped me off to dump the Avantgo data (mine usually takes up 1.5 to 2 mg of space, then plus the normal 2mg that I keep free on my internal VPR I have plenty of internal space to transfer a 2.5mg file like you were trying to do. I am guessing here, but I think you need an equal or greater than free ram on the internal memory of the size of file your moving. I move games and photos with ease since they are small in size.

The only other time I experienced a compact was when trying to do a mirror with JackBack. After a a period of instability with JackBack, I just stopped using it and rely on BackupBuddy which backs up the internal and the card. Unfortunately it does not restore to the card, but its a fairly simple process to restore all the files in the backupbuddyflash folder to internal and then file move them over to the card.

Backupbuddy needs to resolve this by writing directly to internal flash and the card flash.

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Posted by ksranger on 06-22-2001 06:39 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by javabird

ksranger, after backing up your Visor, is 8MB still left in the Flash module? Or is the 8MB total for both the Backup and Flash? In other words, after backing up, how much memory is left over for extra storage? The website doesn't really make this clear. .

The two are totally separate...8 meg for backup and 8 meg flash for a total of 16Meg in the Springboard module. Backup internal RAM to the backup part and still have 8meg left for moving/copying other stuff. I now use BackupBuddy to backup the 8meg flash to my PC so all 16 Meg is backed up somewhere.

-ksranger-

Posted by javabird on 06-23-2001 03:57 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by ksranger

The two are totally separate...8 meg for backup and 8 meg flash for a total of 16Meg in the Springboard module. Backup internal RAM to the backup part and still have 8meg left for moving/copying other stuff. I now use BackupBuddy to backup the 8meg flash to my PC so all 16 Meg is backed up somewhere.

-ksranger-

thanks for the info!

Posted by Celchu19 on 06-23-2001 04:34 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by miradu2000
wow. Somebody's thinking at Hagiwara. I wouldn't complina about the price becuase a normal Backup is $40, and a normal flash module is $80. That's a $120 value, for only $90!!!! Talk about a steal! :-D j/k

The sad thing is you think you are funny....
It's a good Idea, like the thinModem+, combine two featuers that people are going to want/need anyway and its bound to sell

quote:
Originally posted by miradu2000
What kind of backup software do they use? If it had scheduld backups it would be SWEET! I also notice it's in color,., why can't HS update their modules to be in color?

I doubt there are scheduld backups, boy would that either interupt things or drain power, one of the two, IT's probably backup software like what is used on the hs backup....

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Posted by miradu on 06-23-2001 04:52 AM:

Celchu19.. I AM FUNNY!

I dsagree. I tihnk scehduled backups are one of the best ideas for anything. IT doesn't waste power, and you would make it completly user configiarble to do it at 1 am at night..

I don't think this post added anyhting to the topic.. jsut getting Sam backk

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