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Posted by sprintf on 12-15-2001 05:46 PM:

Is it just me, or...

As I read through posts here, I notice more and more people saying they've switched from handspring devices to clies... Does anyone here still use visors? It worries me, as I've asked for a visor for christmas...

Posted by volcanopele on 12-15-2001 05:49 PM:

I still use my Visor Platinum and will likely do so at least until this coming summer. The Clies are a bit more technically advanced and I think that people here are just lamenting the fact that there are no new Visors coming out with a higher res, color screen. Some are switching to Clies and you have to think that those are mostly power users who want the higher res screen.

I even admit that I am a little tempted by the T600. Thin, color, hi-res, jog dial, AND dual expansion.

The biggest reason I am waiting is because I want to see that the CF adapter comes out for it like in Japan AND I have enough money to get a 128MB card for the Clie. I have 128 MB of memory for my Visor through my Memplug SM and I don't think I can do away with my programs and "stuff" on it.

Jason

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Posted by docscully on 12-15-2001 06:34 PM:

I have only had my pro for about two months and I love it. I have a good friend who has a Clie (I think it's the PEGS-320, but not quite sure.) In terms of value for my money, I think I got a better deal than she did. I will continue to support Handspring so long as their products are high quality.

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Posted by dampeoples on 12-15-2001 06:46 PM:

I still use my Prism as well. The folks at Sony have never impressed me, wonder will they keep supporting the Palm OS if noone supports the new features they have implemented? It also seems like the folks who get the Sony PDA's are just after the wow factor. I got my PDA for contacts and the schedule, the games are a nice bonus, not a requirement.

Posted by Barron on 12-15-2001 09:24 PM:

Actually, I just switched from a Palm IIIx to a new Visor Neo and I did it for the Handspring modules. I went with the Neo because of price and looks. I prefer the translucent case and it has a good feel to it. I want color but am willing to wait until Handspring puts out a new model. The Prism looks good but I didn't like the additional thickness it has over the other visors.

But the main reason I switched was for the Handspring modules! These are very cool and severely underrated!!! None of the other Palm OS brands have the versatility that Handspring offers through the Handspring slot. With my recent purchase, was a coupon for a free MemPlug compact flash module. Now, I can use the CF cards from my camera and old Psion handheld with my Visor. Through the Handspring web site, I signed up with Audible.com and received a free AudibleAdvisor Handspring module for use with their system. I also bought the new Red-M Bluetooth module to surf wirelessly with my Visor and cell phone. Awesome! I plan on getting the barcode reader module from Symbol to catalog my books and perhaps the Raycom massage unit (yeah, that last one sounds a bit strange but all the reviews I've read sound good!).

Sure, the Sonys have the novelty factor and I'm sure are nice little machines, but for my money, anything with the Springboard slot beats 'em hands down!!!

Barron

Posted by Thunderbird291 on 12-15-2001 10:09 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by volcanopele
I still use my Visor Platinum and will likely do so at least until this coming summer. The Clies are a bit more technically advanced and I think that people here are just lamenting the fact that there are no new Visors coming out with a higher res, color screen. Some are switching to Clies and you have to think that those are mostly power users who want the higher res screen.

I even admit that I am a little tempted by the T600. Thin, color, hi-res, jog dial, AND dual expansion.

The biggest reason I am waiting is because I want to see that the CF adapter comes out for it like in Japan AND I have enough money to get a 128MB card for the Clie. I have 128 MB of memory for my Visor through my Memplug SM and I don't think I can do away with my programs and "stuff" on it.

Jason

Ditto here. I'm probably going to upgrade to a Prism this holiday, and then hold out for OS5. The biggest reason I'm staying with HS is because of my accessories and memory card.

BTW, congrats on the graph module you won.

Posted by volcanopele on 12-15-2001 10:40 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Thunderbird291

Ditto here. I'm probably going to upgrade to a Prism this holiday, and then hold out for OS5. The biggest reason I'm staying with HS is because of my accessories and memory card.

BTW, congrats on the graph module you won.

Thats the other reason I am waiting. I would definitely like to take a look at any new ARM7 Palm OS device.

On the graph module, may I do a little dance? I can definitely make use of that. A lot easier to do simple calculation and graphs than say my Ti-89.

Jason

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Posted by GSR13 on 12-15-2001 10:52 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by volcanopele
I still use my Visor Platinum and will likely do so at least until this coming summer. The Clies are a bit more technically advanced and I think that people here are just lamenting the fact that there are no new Visors coming out with a higher res, color screen. Some are switching to Clies and you have to think that those are mostly power users who want the higher res screen.

I even admit that I am a little tempted by the T600. Thin, color, hi-res, jog dial, AND dual expansion.

The biggest reason I am waiting is because I want to see that the CF adapter comes out for it like in Japan AND I have enough money to get a 128MB card for the Clie. I have 128 MB of memory for my Visor through my Memplug SM and I don't think I can do away with my programs and "stuff" on it.

Jason

My understanding of the CF Adaptor is that it is only designed to take advantage of CF Communication Cards. At this point the only thing I know of that works is a wireless modem. Not sure if Ether or BlueTooth will be supported.

Of course, this only applies if it ever comes to the US.

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Posted by volcanopele on 12-15-2001 10:58 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by GSR13

My understanding of the CF Adaptor is that it is only designed to take advantage of CF Communication Cards. At this point the only thing I know of that works is a wireless modem. Not sure if Ether or BlueTooth will be supported.

Of course, this only applies if it ever comes to the US.

I understand that. That is precisely the reason I want it though I think it works with all CF I/O cards. I could use the MS slot for memory and the CF sleeve for wireless or other functions.

This would be moot if more springboards had multiple functions liek being a memory module for CF/SM/MS or what ever AND did something else like playing MP3s, being a GPS module, or monitoring bowel movements.

Jason

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Posted by GSR13 on 12-15-2001 11:00 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by dampeoples
I still use my Prism as well. The folks at Sony have never impressed me, wonder will they keep supporting the Palm OS if noone supports the new features they have implemented? It also seems like the folks who get the Sony PDA's are just after the wow factor. I got my PDA for contacts and the schedule, the games are a nice bonus, not a requirement.

Mine has nothing to do with WOW Factor. I started with a VisorDeluxe and wanted color so I got a Prism. I really liked the Prism, but I wanted a ReflectiveScreen. In addition, I also wanted a Sony Digital Camera and an MP3 Player. That pretty much sold me on the CLIE. I have two 128MB MS which can be used in my CLIE or Camera plus I get MP3 built-in.

The memory expansion on my CLIE is much more seamless than it ever was on my Prism/MemPlug combo. The Apps that I use that I need to have on Expansion Memory are VFS aware, another plus for the CLIE since I have OS4.1.1

As cool as the CLIE is, and it is cool, for my needs it is both practical and the perfect fit.

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Posted by GSR13 on 12-15-2001 11:07 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Barron

Sure, the Sonys have the novelty factor and I'm sure are nice little machines, but for my money, anything with the Springboard slot beats 'em hands down!!!

Barron

Exactly what part of the CLIE is considered a Novelty?

Built-in Memory expansion?
HiRes Reflective Color Screen?
Built-in MP3?
Scroll Wheel/BackButton?
Newer OS with VFS Support?
Ability to Mount MemoryStick as Drive on PC?

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Posted by AzNCoMpUtAnErD on 12-15-2001 11:20 PM:

Re: Is it just me, or...

quote:
Originally posted by sprintf
As I read through posts here, I notice more and more people saying they've switched from handspring devices to clies... Does anyone here still use visors? It worries me, as I've asked for a visor for christmas...

LOL! I'm exactly the opposite. My clie was recently stolen, and I was able to get a good priced replacement Visor Edge. The Sony units are hands down superior to any of their counterparts. Handspring does have high quality products, but there newest unit is the Treo, which is great, but who knoes how well it'll do. The next unit they'll announce will not be until Q2 2002. They can't afford to release 4 units a quarter. Sony has something for everyone, and there prices are so competitive. Pick between a Visor Neo and S320. S320 is $30 cheaper, rechargable battery, memory stick slot, and better form factor. Pick between the Prism or 610C. 610 has high-res, memory stick, better form factor. Pick between the T415 and Visor Pro, I guess the Visor might win here, the T415 isn't that great a unit. Then you got your 760s, nothing can beat it but sony's own products. On top of all that, the Sony's have 4 MB Flash ROM and OS 4.0, which gives faster performance and REAL VFS support. That's why everyone is switching to Sony. Did and can Hanspring gain 10% market share in 2 weeks?!?! Visors are good, but they're are better things out there. It's like getting a Toyota Camry when you could have got a BMW for the same price.

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Posted by GSR13 on 12-15-2001 11:23 PM:

Re: Re: Is it just me, or...

quote:
Originally posted by AzNCoMpUtAnErD

LOL! I'm exactly the opposite. My clie was recently stolen, and I was able to get a good priced replacement Visor Edge. The Sony units are hands down superior to any of their counterparts. Handspring does have high quality products, but there newest unit is the Treo, which is great, but who knoes how well it'll do. The next unit they'll announce will not be until Q2 2002. They can't afford to release 4 units a quarter. Sony has something for everyone, and there prices are so competitive. Pick between a Visor Neo and S320. S320 is $30 cheaper, rechargable battery, memory stick slot, and better form factor. Pick between the Prism or 610C. 610 has high-res, memory stick, better form factor. Pick between the T415 and Visor Pro, I guess the Visor might win here, the T415 isn't that great a unit. Then you got your 760s, nothing can beat it but sony's own products. That's why everyone is switching to Sony. Did and can Hanspring gain 10% market share in 2 weeks?!?! Visors are good, but they're are better things out there. It's like getting a Toyota Camry when you could have got a BMW.

You failed to mention that all of Sony's models are shipping with OS4. Considering the MS built-in, VFS is a huge bonus.

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Posted by AzNCoMpUtAnErD on 12-15-2001 11:26 PM:

Re: Re: Is it just me, or...

Yea, added that...you reply quick

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Posted by volcanopele on 12-15-2001 11:50 PM:

I think what he means by novelty is that for most people, many of the things that the Clies have are not all that necessary. Certainly all those things are nice but most don't really need it. With the exception of the hi-res screen, people with Visors can get exactly the same functionality that a Clie has. Kind of a buy only what you want. Personally, I don't even need color. Sure it would be nice but I don't really need it. I am not going to beat up my Platinum and throw it in the trash because there are color or high-res devices. I don't need a thin device nor to be honest do I want one. The Visor form factor is perfect.

My Visor has VFS-support with a 128 MB SM card and it works just fine. It may not be "true VFS support" but it works all the same.

however, am I "scared" of Sony and the Clies? No. They are providing the most innovation right now for the Palm os. They have the capital to spend to innovate. Palm and Handspring don't have the money to churn out new devices like firewood. The innovations will come to handspring and Palm once OS5 comes out. Just be patient, enjoy your Visor, and don't be scared. Handspring will still be here by this time next year.

Jason

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Posted by dampeoples on 12-16-2001 12:48 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by volcanopele
Just be patient, enjoy your Visor, and don't be scared. Handspring will still be here by this time next year.

Jason
Jason

Can I get an AMEN. Besides, they may be waiting for OS 5 to produce a new unit, who knows?

P.S. - Who do you hafta know to win a Module?

Posted by volcanopele on 12-16-2001 12:57 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by dampeoples

Can I get an AMEN. Besides, they may be waiting for OS 5 to produce a new unit, who knows?

P.S. - Who do you hafta know to win a Module?

Well, you have to know the most recent version number for the PowerOne Graph program

To be perfectly honest, I was hoping to win the GPS module or the Smart Pad 2. The kinds of things where you can't afford to get but you would really love to have.

I just downloaded a 30-day demo of PowerOne Graph and I have to say that its pretty good. Not as good as my Ti-89 but then again I don't want to carry around my TI-89 (bad form factor, like a brick, 1-bit screen, low-res screen, not enough memory to anything but graph and play Phoenix). Neither does Infinity Softworks claim it to be.

Jason

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Posted by dampeoples on 12-16-2001 01:06 AM:

Free is Free, but I know what you're sayin, I'd like to have the GPS to play with, I have two myself, but a color GPS would be nice kinda neat.

Posted by volcanopele on 12-16-2001 01:17 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by dampeoples
Free is Free, but I know what you're sayin, I'd like to have the GPS to play with, I have two myself, but a color GPS would be nice kinda neat.

Oh absolutely, I am happy that I won. The PowerOne Graph module is or was #7 on my list of modules I wanted to get and one of the most affordable. It will be nice to be able to make decent looking graphs on a screen I can see. Plus, for simpler functions I will likely use this. But for some of the more advanced functions like differentiation, intergration, and limits, I will still use my TI-89.

Jason

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Posted by dampeoples on 12-16-2001 01:22 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by volcanopele

But for some of the more advanced functions like differentiation, intergration, and limits, I will still use my TI-89.

Jason

WHOA! Slow down.....
I'm just starting to learn the functions of the BASIC handspring calculator

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