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Posted by bookrats on 06-29-2001 04:37 PM:
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Originally posted by dkessler
I'm going to try and explain a little more about how all this stuff works ...
Thank you, Dave. This article basically wraps up everything I've learned from 70 different articles on VC and elsewhere. Worth the read and then some!
An added question (for anyone -- I think Dave has earned a rest!): in their current incarnations, do both PowerRUN and MSMount require Palm OS 3.5.x or greater? (I'm pretty sure MSMount does.)
Obviously, that's "as it stands now"; both apps could be being updated for OS 3.1.x support. (Amount of hassle to be determined. 
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Posted by Jupe on 06-29-2001 04:39 PM:
Thanks a bunch Dave for such a well organized and balanced explanation! I wonder if you'd mind going into some more detail on MSMount and PowerRun and how they fit in to all this? Thanks again.
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Posted by dkessler on 06-29-2001 04:48 PM:
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Originally posted by bookrats
In their current incarnations, do both PowerRUN and MSMount require Palm OS 3.5.x or greater? (I'm pretty sure MSMount does.)
Yes. But we are working with the PowerRUN developer to get the app working with OS 3.1. The incompatibility is just an oversight, not a real technical issue. I don't yet know what the chances are of getting MSMount to work on OS 3.1.__________________
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Posted by acajigas on 06-29-2001 04:53 PM:
Will 10 applications be the maximun number of applications you could run using PiDirect when the official version comes out? What about the Innopocket? Will there be a limit?
thanx
Al
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Posted by dkessler on 06-29-2001 04:58 PM:
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Originally posted by Jupe
Thanks a bunch Dave for such a well organized and balanced explanation! I wonder if you'd mind going into some more detail on MSMount and PowerRun and how they fit in to all this? Thanks again.
MSMount is basically the same thing as PiDirect and AutoCF. The thing that makes it different is that instead of being written for one specific set of card drivers (MemPlug or TRG), it is written to us VFS functions to do all it's memory card access. That means that it works on both the Clie and the m50X (and hopefully in the future, the FlashAdapter).
PowerRUN is a little different. PowerRUN is an alternative to using a VFS enabled launcher. PowerRUN is much like the FAAutoMover application that Kopsis proposed in the original "build your own FlashAdapter" article. PowerRUN copies selected applications *and* their data files to CF, deletes them from RAM, and creates a "shortcut" icon in the launcher. When you tap that icon, it invokes PowerRUN. PowerRUN automatically copies the application and its data files back to RAM and then runs the app. When the app exits, PowerRUN copies any changed data files back to CF and then deletes the app and its files from RAM. PowerRUN's pros are that it works with any launcher with or without VFS support (even the built in PalmOS launcher), that the data files don't have to be read-only, and that it has a very high level of compatibility with existing apps. The cons are that you need enough free RAM for your biggest app and all its data files (in their entirety) and the process of copying all this stuff to RAM (and then back to CF if data is changed) is quite a bit slower than PiDirect or direct data file access through VFS.__________________
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Posted by gbgood on 06-29-2001 07:00 PM:
Dave, you are tops in my book.
Thank you for the 'complete' explanation.
Posted by gbgood on 06-29-2001 07:25 PM:
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Originally posted by gbgood
I should say now that I'm still holding hope for the memplug. It is still new, but NO, it did not meet/exceed my expectations.
Upon re-reading my original post, I've decided it was greatly unfair to memplug. For this, I apologize.
The main area of disappointment, for me, is piDirect. And piDirect is NOT a product. It is BETA, and it is FREE. I'm going to hereby stop whining until I pay for it.
In actually examining my smc directories, I was surprised to learn that I have 32MB of apps in my Launcher III (rock-solid & FREE BTW) and they run perfectly from my memplug, albeit a little slow 'loading' to the Launcher III tabs.
It's true that I have not had a successful full backup restore from memplug's backup utility, but it's also true that they are emailing me regularly on this, and I have even had a NEW memplug version 1.5 emailed to me to try and rectify this problem. I use hackmaster and hacks and maybe these are issues. As I say, memplug is responding to my problem and for that, I am most thankful.
I really wanted to place many large maps, many large reference docs, and many, many SplashPhoto pics on my memplug w/piDirect, and that is not possible...........yet. But memplug gives me the impression that they are working day and night, posting to this board, emailing those like me, & I would bet my piDirect $$$ that they will have piDirect working just like I want it to.
I hope this makes up for my previous post. Again, sorry.
note to self: think first, then post....think first, then post....
Posted by bob151 on 06-29-2001 09:01 PM:
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Originally posted by dkessler
Factor in things like innovation and customer support and things may get even less clear The bottom line is that choosing between a couple of really cool products is always hard ... but hopefully this information will lift the fog a little bit an make it easier to make an informed decision.
Dave, thanks for you efforts in trying to clear these things up. I appreciate the detailed answer. Now I more info to use in my sellection.
Posted by acajigas on 06-30-2001 09:39 AM:
I got my Memplug yesterday at CompUSA in NYC for 29.99. I was about to get a used 8MB flash module for $45 but I didn't since the guy sold it to a co-worker for $50. I'm so happy I didn't buy it from him.
I would like to know if there is a big difference in the Speed of a CompactFlash and SmartMedia MemPlug.
Thanx.
Al
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Posted by Mich on 07-08-2001 05:41 AM:
Just to let you know, $50 for an 8mb compact flash card is WAY to high. Newegg.com as 64mb flash cards for $32 plus $4 shipping.
Posted by Matthew Nichols on 07-08-2001 06:27 AM:
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Originally posted by Mich
Just to let you know, $50 for an 8mb compact flash card is WAY to high. Newegg.com as 64mb flash cards for $32 plus $4 shipping.
Just to let you know, he was talking about the 8mb Springboard Module not an 8mb CF card.__________________
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Posted by acajigas on 07-08-2001 05:47 PM:
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Originally posted by Mich
Just to let you know, $50 for an 8mb compact flash card is WAY to high. Newegg.com as 64mb flash cards for $32 plus $4 shipping.
Yes, I was talking about the 8MB Flash Memory Handspring Springboard. Actually, the guy who was going to sell me the module told me that the new CF or SM modules were a better option. I knew they were a better option but I wasn't 100% sure. Now that Pit is working really hard to make the MemPlug (PiDirect) compatible with most popular software, I guess $50 is too expensive for 8MB of memory.
I'm not sure about SM from Newegg.com, I guess it is too cheap to be true. That's why I'm sticking to SanDisk. I got my 32MB SM card for $23.49 +sh in buy.com but I think now they have it for $26.95 +sh.
Buy.com doesn't have an excellent customer service but they try to do the best they can even if it is only by e-mail.
Al__________________
It all started way back in February 2000 with a Blue VDX.
Posted by hxh167 on 07-08-2001 10:43 PM:
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Originally posted by acajigas
Yes, I was talking about the 8MB Flash Memory Handspring Springboard. Actually, the guy who was going to sell me the module told me that the new CF or SM modules were a better option. I knew they were a better option but I wasn't 100% sure. Now that Pit is working really hard to make the MemPlug (PiDirect) compatible with most popular software, I guess $50 is too expensive for 8MB of memory.
I'm not sure about SM from Newegg.com, I guess it is too cheap to be true. That's why I'm sticking to SanDisk. I got my 32MB SM card for $23.49 +sh in buy.com but I think now they have it for $26.95 +sh.
Buy.com doesn't have an excellent customer service but they try to do the best they can even if it is only by e-mail.
Al
If you are using VDX, the flash module is a better choice compared to Memplug because PiDirect won't work on OS3.1 devices.
I am using SM card from Newegg.com. Cheaper is not necessary a bad thing. Before you use it, don't post something like "too cheap to be true". It's very irresponsible.
