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Posted by wforde on 10-16-2001 01:00 AM:

Where is the Prism II

Great news about the treo, but what about a new color visor.
They are willing to anounce the treo, months in advance, but
not a word about a new color visor. What gives?

Posted by septimus on 10-16-2001 02:31 AM:

No $hit. here here: put the prism II here.

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Posted by Felipe on 10-16-2001 02:38 AM:

I was just ging to post the same question.

Is the prism 2 out of the picture? I hope not.

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Posted by dentateck on 10-16-2001 03:26 AM:

And just when I was willing and ready for a new color Visor, they are releasing not even actual product, but just an
announcement for Treos, does that mean, that we won't see any new Handspring products this year? That would be
a shame, my money are burning my hands to spend them on some beautiful color device, I was holding for so long,
hoping that Handspring will come up with a new Hi-res Visor, that I'm ready to move to Sony camp, next day after
Christmas, if nothing new comes up here.
I have a feeling, that Handspring is going to concentrate on wireless market only from now on. And what about guys
like me, who don't give a damn about cell phones ( oh, my!)?
BTW, I've looked over details on Treos, and it's not impressing at all, 160*160 gray scale screens, OS 3.5, 33
MHz processors, it's gonna be 2002, not 1998 for crying out loud, give us something new, worth that hefty $399
(with activation) price tag! Oh yeah, almost forgot, you can talk to it too, big deal....

Posted by TDS_Computer on 10-16-2001 06:00 AM:

Read Handsprings info

If you read the information on Handsprings website, you will see that the Visor line and the Treo line are two different animals. They will continue to create new Visors for the PDA market, but are now expanding into the Cell phone Organizor market. Hence you will not find the word "Visor" on their new Treo's.

I would prefer to wait and make sure that Handspring does it right with the new Color Visor. No sense rushing to market with something that is not perfect. My Prism still does everything it did when I first bought it - A new, hi res screen or built in Freem Cell Calibrator will not make me more productive. After the complaints about the Edge, I don't think that Handspring wants to rush out new technolgy without thinking about it long and hard.

Doug

Posted by kalahari on 10-16-2001 06:06 AM:

Re: Read Handsprings info

quote:
Originally posted by TDS_Computer
... My Prism still does everything it did when I first bought it - A new, hi res screen or built in Freem Cell Calibrator will not make me more productive...

I suspect that you've only had your Prism since June 2001? Some of us have had Prisms since a year ago (yes, they came out in October 2000). Methinks it's time for Handspring to bring out a Prism II...

Posted by usonian2001 on 10-16-2001 05:32 PM:

Re: Where is the Prism II

quote:
Originally posted by wforde
Great news about the treo, but what about a new color visor.
They are willing to anounce the treo, months in advance, but
not a word about a new color visor. What gives?

Maybe they're going to continue their established pattern of not announcing new Visors (Visor != Treo) until they're ready to ship. I'm thinking the Prism price drop was not for nothing.

But I really hope they get it right with their next color device... it's got to have something a little more compelling than 16mb of RAM to get me to spend the $$ to upgrade within the Visor family, and I hope they don't use the Edge form factor with the klugey sled for Springboard expansion.

I've got a fair amount of money invested in Springboards & accessories, but I can sell those if somebody releases a good memory stick camera for the PEG-N710C. If it takes Handspring a little longer to come out with a great follow-up to the Prism, that's OK with me... better that than 'New Handspring Spectrum! Smudgy clear plastic, fast lookup and 16mb of RAM!'

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Posted by george_vc on 10-16-2001 08:04 PM:

After having my Prism for about a year, I sold it on eBay right before the price drop with the expectation of a Prism II. I don't see any x-mas line-up appearing so am re-ordering the Prism at the new $299 price and a new warranty. Bummer after a year there is nothing new to buy. But in looking at what is available and my current springboard collection, the Prism is still the best thing going in my opinion.

Posted by Vertigo on 10-17-2001 06:08 AM:

IMO, there is not too many desirable upgrades out there that have really caught on (besides maybe a higher res. screen, but how many programs support that?). I would be happy with a smaller form factor prism, but that wouldn't compell me to upgrade..

Posted by Billy4u on 10-17-2001 05:29 PM:

Re: Where is the Prism II

quote:
Originally posted by wforde
Great news about the treo, but what about a new color visor.
They are willing to anounce the treo, months in advance, but
not a word about a new color visor. What gives?

You have to remember, the HS stock price was getting killed. As much as we are all anticipating the PRISM II, it wasn't going to save the stock (evolutionary). Clearly HS hopes that the TREO announcement (revolutionary) will buy the company some time to get their house in order.

So far, the market is reacting positively.

Posted by wforde on 10-17-2001 06:41 PM:

Its great that HS's stock responed positively to their
Treo anouncement, but do they have the resources to fully
support to separate lines (treo and visor)?

My fear is that a NEW VISOR, will have to wait till after
the launch of their color treo. I dont think I can wait
another 8 months for a new Prism.

Posted by Billy4u on 10-17-2001 06:54 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by wforde
Its great that HS's stock responed positively to their
Treo anouncement, but do they have the resources to fully
support to separate lines (treo and visor)?

My fear is that a NEW VISOR, will have to wait till after
the launch of their color treo. I dont think I can wait
another 8 months for a new Prism.

Exactly! That is the point. If HS stock had continues to tumble (and become a penny stock) they wouldn't have had the resources to develop or support anything.

Stock (shares or options) are an important currency used for acquisitions, employee hiring and retention, hostile takeover defence, and of course fundraising. (not long ago, HS market cap was less than 150M) HS currency was being devalued.

Clearly, TREO development has consumed a large chunk of corporate resources and the PRISM II development had likely been slowed.

It is too early to tell, but if the market sees HS as a viable long term player, hopefully they will have INCREASED resources for both lines.

Posted by Jay on 10-17-2001 07:07 PM:

I've had my Prism for about a year and I have to say I'm still really happy with it. A smaller form factor would be cool, but I don't want built-in wireless. It's no problem to hook up a cable to my cell phone and use my Sprint minutes, and that's nice and cost-effective too.

I'd like to be able to buy a Prism in different colors, and I'd like more memory, but I don't want those things enough to lay out cash for a new unit.

I've found that the modules I thought would be so cool haven't turned out to be. The only ones I've kept are the minijam and the eyemodule, and of course the back-up and flash modules. GPS would be cool, but not at the price it's selling for (compared to the price of buying a separate GPS unit for $150 -- that actually works). I had a wireless modem but it sucked, so now I use the cable/cell phone method. I'd like a _cheap_ voice recorder, and a little television module would be cool, not that I have any idea of whether that's even possible. A radio would be good if it were cheap and actually got any reception.

A lesson I've learned since becoming a Visor owner is to be patient. Except for the Visor itself (first a VDx, now a Prism), all the items and services I've bought as an early adopter have not been worth the money. Yada Yada was the worst disappointment, but not the only one.

But my Prism continues to go strong. It's an outstanding product and I love it, love it, love it.

Jay

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Posted by hloakes on 10-17-2001 09:47 PM:

I would think that what ever color screen that they are going to use in the Treo would be used in a color Visor model. There is some speculation that the Treo is nothing but a Visor with a phone built into the SB slot and extra software. They are using the same OSas they use now, so there is not a lot of difference. If that is true, then they could be working on two models at the same time. To me that is a wise business move.

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Posted by Burns on 10-17-2001 10:24 PM:

quote:
hloakes wrote:
I would think that what ever color screen that they are going to use in the Treo would be used in a color Visor model. There is some speculation that the Treo is nothing but a Visor with a phone built into the SB slot and extra software.

I certainly HOPE not! Have you seen the size comparison pic they have??? If that's the new visor, then it will be smaller than the m100!! I think that's one of the biggest downfalls of the mPalm series. I'm real big on screen real estate though. I'm the guy who thinks it would be a good idea for Microsoft to adopt multiple desktop views (I don't do linux because I choose not to, there's too many games I wanna play)

quote:
dentateck wrote:
BTW, I've looked over details on Treos, and it's not impressing at all, 160*160 gray scale screens, OS 3.5, 33 MHz processors, it's gonna be 2002, not 1998 for crying out loud, give us something new, worth that hefty $399

Um, I'd like you to show me another PDA phone with 16mB of RAM and all the other software this Treo has preinstalled (hopefully in the ROM)

And, as has been said numerous times, Handspring is NOT moving away from PDA's, it's diversifying.

enough rants

- Burns

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Posted by septimus on 10-17-2001 10:28 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Burns
Um, I'd like you to show me another PDA phone with 16mB of RAM and all the other software this Treo has preinstalled (hopefully in the ROM)

It's my guess that the preinstalled software will not be in ROM, but in another RAM chip (whatever size is currently in the Vphone, like 1 meg maybe?). This is why the TREO is software upgradable to GPRS, yes is not OS upgradeable. I would be shocked if the software were sitting in the main RAM, where Joe Consumer could accidentally delete it with the greatest of ease.

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Posted by Burns on 10-17-2001 10:30 PM:

Speaking of GPRS, what is it? I'm not real big on cell phone info.

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Posted by freitasm on 10-17-2001 11:39 PM:

GPRS is a data service laid over the GSM network that allows an always-on (no dialup) and faster connection.

Posted by Crustytrusty on 10-19-2001 08:31 PM:

just wondering ...you guys have seen the COLOR TREO right? all this talk of it being wack cause it is greyscale...well theres a color one too...I am sure you knew though

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Posted by wforde on 10-19-2001 10:28 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Crustytrusty
just wondering ...you guys have seen the COLOR TREO right? all this talk of it being wack cause it is greyscale...well theres a color one too...I am sure you knew though

It's not a visor (no springboard). If it wasnt for
all the SB that i have, i would have purchased the Sony
by now.

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