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Posted by Yorick on 09-22-2001 02:06 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Toby
Korea was a 'police action'. Vietnam was a 'conflict'.

Regardless of political and public relations rhetoric, Vietnam was and is a war.
I direct you to "The Rise and Fall of an American Army" by Captain Shelby L. Stanton. He's a veteran of the war and a military historian. It's always been considered a war in military circles.

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Posted by shockwave869 on 09-22-2001 04:10 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by dietrichbohn

..What do you suppose Nader woulda done?

I sure know what Buchanan (sp?) would have done by now. Any nation suspected of harboring terrorists would have been radioactive craters a week ago.

Posted by shockwave869 on 09-22-2001 04:17 AM:

Regarding liberties,

I would not mind an extensive search at an airport, since it (hopefully) would catch many would-be hijackers.
Facial scanners are somewhat different. I would have to be sure that the ONLY people in the system would be the wanted people, so as not to be falsely accused for looking like Osama Bin Ladin.
Airline travel is serious, and as we have seen much damage can be done. I support heavy security at these institutions.

Posted by mensachicken on 09-22-2001 04:27 AM:

I can't speak for the other Canadians who read VC, but personally I found his exclusion of our country and the aid (financial and physical) of our citizens was rather insulting. Not to mention the many Canadians who died on the 11th.

mc

Posted by VTL on 09-22-2001 06:51 AM:

I'm sure his omission was inadvertent. We love you guys (and gals).

Posted by Yorick on 09-22-2001 01:59 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by VTL
I'm sure his omission was inadvertent. We love you guys (and gals).

aw, speak for yerself. I hate them Canadian geese. rotten little furshluggin ... and those stupid mountie uniforms! They look like geek forest rangers! Then those people from Kay-Beck who come down to Saratoga to vacation .. can't even learn inglush and expect you to know what they're sayin ...

I'm jesting of course. (It's what I do.) I have some very good friends who are Canadians. Let's hope we don't start putting ethnic groups under watch and only target specific individuals who are suspected of being terrorists (hopefully because of their actions, not their ethnicity or religion).

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Posted by mensachicken on 09-22-2001 03:48 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by VTL
I'm sure his omission was inadvertent. We love you guys (and gals).

actually, many think it was due to fact that our prime minister publicly supported Gore during the elections.

though i can understand Bush being peeved at this, i still don't think it's a good reason to snub our helpful citizens.

hell, i think Bush is an idiot man-child but i still offered my sympathy and ponied up cash and blood to try and help.

Posted by VTL on 09-22-2001 07:50 PM:

Well, I think Blair "backed" Gore (like it's any non-American's damn business), and Bush has been quite effusive in his praise of him. I still think it was an inadvertent omission. America has always appreciated Canada's friendship.

On the other hand, if you want to keep calling my president an "idiot man-child" maybe I'll retract my earlier statement. I post something pleasant, and this is your response? Very nice.

Posted by Toby on 09-22-2001 08:14 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Yorick
Regardless of political and public relations rhetoric, Vietnam was and is a war.
I direct you to "The Rise and Fall of an American Army" by Captain Shelby L. Stanton. He's a veteran of the war and a military historian. It's always been considered a war in military circles.

Of course it was/is. Note my use of single quotes (which in this context indicates that it is a use of the phrase by others with which I don't necessarily agree). Also, the flag has _nothing_ to do with the Constitution (other than peripherally through the first amendment).

Posted by MarkEagle on 09-22-2001 09:16 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by mensachicken
i still offered my sympathy and ponied up cash and blood to try and help.

That has nothing at all to do with Bush, does it? I would like to think your compasion for your fellow man prompted you to help and not some elected official.

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Posted by Yorick on 09-22-2001 10:08 PM:

Originally posted by Toby
Note my use of single quotes
ah. missed that.

Also, the flag has _nothing_ to do with the Constitution
danke. as noted, I didn't research.

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Posted by mensachicken on 09-22-2001 10:41 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by MarkEagle

That has nothing at all to do with Bush, does it? I would like to think your compasion for your fellow man prompted you to help and not some elected official.

well that's my point exactly. i hate bush but am sympathetic to the country's plight. i put aside my feelings for your leader and did what i could (blood & money).

however, bush seemed unable to do likewise. he, understandably perhaps, doesn't like our prime minister (trust me, he's not alone)yet he was unwilling to to put those feelings aside and acknowledge the support (physical/financial) of our citizens. worse, though several Canadians died, again they weren't mentioned (though other countries in the same situation were).

to those who say it was an accident, fine. believe what you wish. but i don't believe speakers at that level make screwups like that. in addition, consider if a similar tragedy happened here, and the usa assisted (as i'm sure they would), and our leader forgot to thank them. i'd be hard pressed to believe that no one would point it out or not find it insulting.

mc

Posted by mensachicken on 09-22-2001 10:45 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by VTL
On the other hand, if you want to keep calling my president an "idiot man-child" maybe I'll retract my earlier statement. I post something pleasant, and this is your response? Very nice.

i don't see how the pleasantness of your post is irrelevant to my thoughts on Bush.

mc

Posted by homer on 09-23-2001 02:09 AM:

quote:
however, bush seemed unable to do likewise. he, understandably perhaps, doesn't like our prime minister (trust me, he's not alone)yet he was unwilling to to put those feelings aside and acknowledge the support (physical/financial) of our citizens.

Well, maybe he just assumes that Canada is one of the 50 states and missed the fact that it's a country.

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Posted by Yorick on 09-23-2001 02:44 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by homer
maybe he just assumes that Canada is one of the 50 states

You mean 60 states.

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Posted by mensachicken on 09-23-2001 03:25 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Yorick

You mean 60 states.

he means 63 states.

mc

Posted by Yorick on 09-23-2001 04:27 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by mensachicken
he means 63 states.

but 63 isn't funny.

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Posted by mensachicken on 09-23-2001 07:06 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Yorick

but 63 isn't funny.

ha. no. it's not. you're right.

silly me, putting accuracy before humour.

mc

Posted by Soul Raven on 09-23-2001 08:49 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by mensachicken
to those who say it was an accident, fine. believe what you wish. but i don't believe speakers at that level make screwups like that.

How about "speech writers at that level don't make screwups like that".

It was a fine speech. It said what needed to be said (with the exception of not mentioning our northern neighbors), and I think it said what U.S. citizens wanted to hear. I don't for a second, though, believe that anyone who used "subliminably" in a sentance wrote it. Bush certainly gave a great speech, and he made it through all the big words just fine this time. I applaud the nameless individual who wrote it.

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