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Posted by VisorCentral on 04-01-2002 03:51 AM:

Preview: Springtooth

Is your collection of Springboards keeping you from upgrading to a new PDA? With the Springtooth you can have the best of both worlds.

http://www.visorcentral.com/content/Stories/1420-1.htm

Posted by Celchu19 on 04-01-2002 03:56 AM:

Happy April Fools to you too!

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Posted by VTL on 04-01-2002 04:49 AM:

You guys really had me until about 2/3 of the way through the article. I was stoked, but then I realized the date.

Posted by dick-richardson on 04-01-2002 07:20 AM:

Actually, could this be feasible?

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Posted by Xavier on 04-01-2002 07:49 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by dick-richardson
Actually, could this be feasible?

According to the public bluetooth specifications:

"Bluetooth can support an asynchronous data channel, up to three simultaneous synchronous voice channels, or a channel which simultaneously supports asynchronous data and synchronous voice. Each voice channel supports a 64 kb/s synchronous (voice) channel in each direction. The asynchronous channel can support max-imal 723.2 kb/s asymmetric (and still up to 57.6 kb/s in the return direction), or 433.9 kb/s symmetric."

So perhaps there's enough bandwidth the tunnel the springboard connection over bluetooth. The main problem, IMO, would be writing the "fake" low-level drivers that interact with the processor pretending to be a springboard. Springboards are, afaik, very low-level when it comes to their interaction with the processor. They interact as a seperate "card" which I believe is hard-wired to the CPU (or some bus directly off it anyway). So, I'm guessing with that in mind: no, it's not possible.

Then again, I'm just a programmer. what do i know about hardware? ;-)

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Posted by Zip-Zilla on 04-01-2002 09:01 AM:

Huh? So, this is just a April Fools' joke???

When i was reading the article on the train, I thought it was FOR REAL!!!!

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Posted by recordond on 04-01-2002 09:06 AM:

In terms of lameness scale for what I have seen so far:

most lame goes to: Macslash.com with the story, "Vivendi Buys Weather.com"

second most lamest goes to: VC

the least lameest but could be contested especially if there are French judges goes to: Slashdot.org and their story, "Do Programming Languages Affect Your Sexual Performance?"

Posted by dkessler on 04-01-2002 12:15 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by dick-richardson
Actually, could this be feasible?

No. There is no API for accessing Springboard modules. Springboard modules are memory mapped into the Dragonball's address space and driver software reads and writes to them directly without going through any OS functions. With no OS functions to hook into and no memory management unit in the Dragonball processor, there's no way for a Bluetooth driver to intercept traffic to and from the module.

The only way this could be done is if someone created replacements for module driver software for each module you wanted to use. For example, we could theoretically create a new version of the FlashAdapter software that talked to the Bluetooth drivers instead of talking directly to the module. But without support from module vendors to create compatible driver software, the basic concept is infeasable.

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Posted by perze_a on 04-01-2002 01:21 PM:

ha ha ha! April Fools!

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Posted by lonesniper on 04-01-2002 03:49 PM:

Almost fooled.

I guess I am just slow, or really tired on a Monday morning. I was not fooled until I noticed the email address to send comments to.

My comment was going to be; "nice product, shame it is too late as the visor and springboards are now dead products"

Posted by Brajesh108 on 04-01-2002 04:35 PM:

Last years "Visor runs OS X" module was better. This one neither excited me nor fooled me. Better luck next year!

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Posted by bookrats on 04-01-2002 06:18 PM:

You got me

I completely bought it. This'll teach me to read the whole article before jumping to conclusions.

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Posted by HindeR on 04-01-2002 07:00 PM:

Hook, line, and sinker!

Boy you had me going. Even knowing the date, I did'nt catch on until I saw the email address on the feedback link. A springtooth module would actually be a dream come true. It would help me to break the SpringBoard shackles and migrate to a more innovative organizer manufacturer (sure the treo is neat, but I need an organizer, not a smartphone). I am thoroughly disgusted with HandSpring's dead-in-the-water color PDA line. I have been waiting for a year for a Prism2. The only thing that has kept me from upgrading is my LARGE investment in springboard modules. Thanks for the fun!

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Posted by volcanopele on 04-01-2002 09:19 PM:

I bought for a little bit. Then I thought, wait a second, just as Dave said, there are no Springboard APIs. A- though for Miradu.

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Posted by Drakion on 04-01-2002 10:33 PM:

Springtooth: What ive been looking for for ages!

All i can say is WOW! I thought i was stuck with my Prism/Minstrel S combo. 8 more months of service with 150$ early cancelation fee was making me keep this heavy, bulky set up. I was thinking of getting the m515 with the Minstrel m500 but the module itself is roughly 300 bucks! I paid 30 for my Minstrel S! But soon, soon i shall say goodbye to my Prism, and hello to a nice new Sony or Palm with the wireless connection. I can even leave the darn thing next to my window where i get service, and IM or browse from my bed! Thanks Visorcentral for posting this information about Springtooth, you guys made my day!

HAHAAAA HELLO SONY!

Posted by flipcap22 on 04-01-2002 10:38 PM:

are you kidding me...

Today's date is April 1, 2002...

good one VC...very good!

Posted by Drakion on 04-01-2002 11:05 PM:

ohhh crap

now i feel stupid.....!@$!@$!!!!!!!!!!!! *throws prism against the wall* NOW I HAVE A GOOD REASON TO GET RID OF YOU!

damn...you guys got me good...real fricken good!

Posted by chungmike on 04-01-2002 11:10 PM:

They had me too. I was thinking that this was going to save Handspring and the Springport. Oh well. :-)

Well, it was a good one, and I was daydreaming about the possibilities.

Is it actually possible to have Bluetooth work this way?

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Posted by kalahari on 04-01-2002 11:12 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by dkessler

No. There is no API for accessing Springboard modules. Springboard modules are memory mapped into the Dragonball's address space and driver software reads and writes to them directly without going through any OS functions. With no OS functions to hook into and no memory management unit in the Dragonball processor, there's no way for a Bluetooth driver to intercept traffic to and from the module...

When I saw the Springtooth review, I thought that the only person that could be working on this development like this would be Dave Kessler

Then I realized that you've been too busy with Linux PDA to work on a project like this

Then I realized it's all a hoax...

. . . . Brian

Posted by dampeoples on 04-01-2002 11:38 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by chungmike

Is it actually possible to have Bluetooth work this way?

Not according to Dkessler in the article discussion post.

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