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Posted by IanP on 02-05-2001 09:30 PM:

Question

I'm in the market for a modem for my VPL. Here in the UK, we don't appear to have anywhere near the choice available stateside...

quote:

taken from Alan Grahams article 'Happy Birthday to You - My Visor Turns One'
http://www.visorcentral.com/page/0-4-68-2-4.htm

There are at least seven different types of modems


In fact I think the choice is more like 1 (one), the Xircom Springport Modem at UKP 114.99! Is there anything else available out there to use in the UK? If not could I purchase one of the seven available in the US and use it here?

What are the pros and cons of the seven available? For example, I like the look, size and weight of the Card Access Thinmodem but how does its specs and battery drain compare? What about wireless here in the uk?

Finally, do I need a specific isp account to utilise a 'mobile' modem in the palm?


Posted by BEN on 02-05-2001 09:46 PM:

Because the wireless modems for the Visor's use a CDPD network, I don't belive that it is possible to use one of them in europe (because europe uses GSM). If you have a cell phone, then it is probably possible to hook it up to the Visor to surf the web that way, but it is usually very expensive.

BEN


Posted by nurcombe on 02-06-2001 12:01 PM:

Lightbulb Go to an auction

Even though the Thincom is not officially available in the UK, I managed to pick one up from the US ebay.

I confirmed that the seller was willing to ship internationally, paid for by me, before I placed my bid.

I won the auction (basically 'cause my final bid was for the same amount as you can by them new in the US)

Obviously there are downsides to this:
* The inherent risk of buying anything from auction (I confirmed the provenance, via e-mail, and paid using PayPal)
* The items are second-hand (I was lucky, mine was 'as new, un-opened')
* No warranty/guarantee.

I heartily recommend the Thincom, and it works a dream on the UK phone network. It drains the VDX's battery, but this is a small price to pay for the form factor.

For wireless internet access, the best option (IMHO) is get yourself a Nokia 6210 (which supports HSCSD) and an Orange pay monthly account, and you can surf, wirelessly at up to 28.8kb. Better than any other wireless option (UK or Stateside).

To answer your final question; no, you don't need a specific ISP to surf wirelessly via the GSM network, but the phone service provider may effect if you can, and how much you are charged.

If you have any further questions, do not hesitate to contact me.

HTH

__________________
Regards,
Jim Nurcombe
[email protected]


Posted by IanP on 02-06-2001 12:07 PM:

thanks nurcombe, looks like i'll be picking one up on my next visit to the states...

Anybody have any ideas on the other modems? The article mentions seven? I've managed to find:

1. Handspring
2. Xircom
3. Thincom
4. Minstrel

what are the others?


Posted by PDAENVY on 02-06-2001 02:32 PM:

Psion IR Travel Modem (Not a springboard, connects via IR)

__________________
Jeff


Posted by laird on 02-07-2001 02:32 AM:

>>Because the wireless modems for the Visor's use a CDPD network, I don't belive that it is possible to use one of them in europe (because europe uses GSM).<<

The xircom modem is GSM.


Posted by Morris on 02-07-2001 03:35 AM:

Can't speak for the UK, but I used a Xircom SpringPort modem in Paris with no problems once I got the proper dialing patterns. I don't have any information on any of the other brands.

Good luck!


Posted by DirkJonas on 02-07-2001 09:53 AM:

Smile Thinmodem

Please see my post for Javatar2K1 - I am using that great Thincom-piece of engineering all over Europe; I've bought it in the States and I am located in Germany.

Love it

Dirk Jonas


Posted by IanP on 02-07-2001 10:49 AM:

DirkJonas, that sounds exactly what I needed to hear, can you point me in the direction of the post, I did a quick search for "Javatar2K1" which came up with nothing

Morris, can you elaborate on the dialling pattern problem?

thanks


Posted by DirkJonas on 02-07-2001 07:36 PM:

Smile Thinmodem

Hi Ian from UK,

I 've bought the thinmodem directly at THINCOM/USA - a couple of days before xmas. Five days later the german custom (Bielefeld) gave me a ring; I payed the german VAT and it was mine.
Before I was looking for the 56K Xircom which is available in Germany for something like 180 Euro - the Thincom costs me including freight and VAT 130 Euro.
The main thing is, that I really hated the ugly hump on the back of the Xircom - now I love to have the Thincom all the time inserted while leaving the VDX in his case - power consumption is comparatively low: I am changing my rechargeables now each week instead of one and a half weeks, which is really neglectable.

The only disadvantage is, that you shouldn't have a look on your battery level while you are online - that will really frighten you. If you close your session, level goes up again; therefore you should make sure, that your battery is not low (60% is enough).

The Thinmodem came with a RJ11 cable; in addition to that I bought a RJ11 connector (costs you appr. 1 Euro). Nearly every hotel in Europe has these RJ11 plugs at modern room phone (at the telephone, not at the socket). Take it out and connect it via connector with your Thincom cable - that's it. I did that in Poland, Czech, Russia, Austria and Italy.

You will love it, Ian - even in UK


Posted by BEN on 02-07-2001 09:12 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by laird
>>Because the wireless modems for the Visor's use a CDPD network, I don't belive that it is possible to use one of them in europe (because europe uses GSM).<<

The xircom modem is GSM.



Ummmm... ok. I'm going to assume that you don't know what GSM actually is. The xircom modem is a landline modem which uses a phone cord to connect to the internet, not a wireless network. The only wireless modem avaible now is the minstrel S which uses CDPD to connect to the wireless network. However, CDPD is only offered in the US (maybe other countries, but not the UK) which means that you can't connect wirelessly in the UK.
GSM is another wireless network, expecially popular in every country that has a clue as to set up a proper wireless network . Think of GSM as like another technology to make you're cell phone work.

BEN


Posted by IanP on 02-08-2001 10:15 AM:

Re: Thinmodem

quote:
Originally posted by DirkJonas
I 've bought the thinmodem directly at THINCOM/USA - a couple of days before xmas. Five days later the german custom (Bielefeld) gave me a ring; I payed the german VAT and it was mine.
Before I was looking for the 56K Xircom which is available in Germany for something like 180 Euro - the Thincom costs me including freight and VAT 130 Euro.
The main thing is, that I really hated the ugly hump on the back of the Xircom - now I love to have the Thincom all the time inserted while leaving the VDX in his case - power consumption is comparatively low: I am changing my rechargeables now each week instead of one and a half weeks, which is really neglectable.



do you have a contact at Card Access? Their order form does accept non US/Canada addresses. I've sent them an email to the address on their site but haven't had a response yet?


Posted by nurcombe on 02-08-2001 02:59 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by BEN
... which means that you can't connect wirelessly in the UK.


All together 'Oh, yes you can'. OK it's not an integrated solution like VisorPhone or YadaYada, but using a GSM phone with an in built modem (plus infra-red, until somebody makes a Nokia to Visor data cable), it's very possible to connect wirelessly, over the GSM network.

quote:
Originally posted by IanP
do you have a contact at Card Access? Their order form does accept non US/Canada addresses. I've sent them an email to the address on their site but haven't had a response yet?


I contacted Thincom before I bought mine through auction and they states categorically they would not be willing to ship to the UK. The situation may have changed since then though. They did say they would be willing to ship additional cables

The address I have been able to get a response from is [email protected].

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Regards,
Jim Nurcombe
[email protected]


Posted by Morris on 02-08-2001 05:35 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by IanP
Morris, can you elaborate on the dialling pattern problem?


Strictly user error - I didn't know how to make a local call in Paris! The front desk at the hotel had to help me out. Yes, I own a Visor, but I still have a LOT to learn.

The SpringPort is a great modem. Highly recommended, no reservations.


Posted by IanP on 02-08-2001 07:19 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Morris
Yes, I own a Visor, but I still have a LOT to learn.

The SpringPort is a great modem. Highly recommended, no reservations.


don't we all Morris!

Don't you find the springport bulky? How do you cart it around? Is there a case on the market that fits the springport, cables etc?


Posted by IanP on 02-11-2001 10:12 PM:

Re: Thinmodem

quote:
Originally posted by DirkJonas
I 've bought the thinmodem directly at THINCOM/USA - a couple of days before xmas. Five days later the german custom (Bielefeld) gave me a ring; I payed the german VAT and it was mine.

Dirk please post how you actually got hold of the thincom (including links/address/phone numbers etc).

I've contacted thincom directly ([email protected]) and also tried PalmGear who ship to Europe at a price. no joy - help.


Posted by h95jbe on 02-12-2001 10:24 AM:

Thinmodem in europe?

Have you been in contact with palmGear about shipping the thinmodem to UK? Cause I just got an E-mail from them stating that they could ship the modem to Sweden for $12. Hmmm... i�ll send them a new e-mail to see if they really understood my question.

/Jonas


Posted by IanP on 02-12-2001 10:36 AM:

Alas yes, this was their response:

quote:
The product manufacturer indicates if functions fully in US/Canada, but does not indicate it being compatable with UK systems. The Springport Modem 56 Global Access Will work in the UK and runs $148.99. Regular mail to the UK is US$12 but is not trackable. The time frame depends on the mail system and
customs in your country. DHL Door to Door is US$55.00, but is trackable and usually goes through customs quicker. I hope this helps some and If we can help you further, let us know.

Regards,


Leslie Teel
PalmGear.com
http//www.palmgear.com
"The one stop source for your palm connected organizer"

I replied, asking whether they would ship the Thinmodem anyway as I favoured it over the Springport. Still waiting, though I guess its a bit much to expect them to work the weekend!


Just in from leslie teel at palm gear...
quote:
After checking on it, I did find out we could not ship the thincom outside of the US or Canada


Bummer!

[Edited by IanP on 02-12-2001 at 10:49 AM]


Posted by laird on 02-14-2001 10:50 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by BEN


Ummmm... ok. I'm going to assume that you don't know what GSM actually is. The xircom modem is a landline modem which uses a phone cord to connect to the internet, not a wireless network.



Actually, the Xircom SM56GA modem has a cell cable feature connector and you can buy the cables here: http://www.xircom.com/cda/shop/1,18...1_152-1,00.html

The problem I have is in trying to find the cable that would go from this modem to a Nokia TDMA phone and work in analog mode. They sell GSM cables and Motorola analog cables but not Nokia.


Alan


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