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Posted by cbiffle on 05-24-2001 04:06 PM:

CF VFS...

VFS? And for those of us stuck with OS3.1?

Posted by septimus on 05-24-2001 04:17 PM:

Re: CF VFS...

quote:
Originally posted by cbiffle
VFS? And for those of us stuck with OS3.1?

Well, currently 4.0 has it (right??), and Kopsis is working on creating a system so that we can use it on earlier OSs with FaFileMover (actually, will be renamed). I don't know what OS will be supported, but I would be surprised if 3.1 wasn't.

I'm a little leery of speaking for Mr. Kessler, as he's more than capable of doing it himself (I hear he's on vacation) & there's a good chance I'm mucking something up. I just wanted to let people know that if they can wait, there may be some good CF solutions coming.

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Posted by alanf on 05-24-2001 04:33 PM:

By "VFS," I take it that means something that would allow direct operation (and hotsyncing?) of the CF files without having to transfer them to RAM (well, without ME having to manually transfer them to RAM). I wasn't sure from the other discussions whether this was something that could be done in software - presumably a new FAFileMover, or whatever - or whether it also needs hardware on the adapter - ie, existing CF adapters won't work. Any ideas?

Posted by mzucker on 05-24-2001 06:20 PM:

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I would like to thank the group for quite actively taking up the subject and speaking about it. I learned a bit - but not enough.

I still am lacking basic information - like a comparison between the CF card and the flash memory. Surely there is a difference, and if so - what is it.

Is the CF card and the software that we can get for it similar in function to the TGF-Pro (or whatever it is called). If there is another person out there who uses top heavy programs (like e-books and refences) or another physician - has any extension allowed you to access all the info. (aside: I say this as opposed to those people who use wireless internet, e-mail or gaming software as the predominant software)

What is the difference between the converter cartriges available? Is there a difference in function (every one seems to pay more attention to whether physically it fits as opposed to noting the function) between the Nixst (which claims to be the only one with the official status of "springboard cartidge) and the various others?

What kind of advances are in the future for this file moving and will we be able to take advantage of it?

I hope that this posting is less problematic or repetitive. I have searched for articles up and down the web and have yet to find a good bare bones practical answer to a lot of the questions I still have.

I thank you all in advance.

Posted by on 05-24-2001 06:25 PM:

Re: I want more memory 2

quote:
Originally posted by mzucker
I would like to thank the group for quite actively taking up the subject and speaking about it. I learned a bit - but not enough.

I still am lacking basic information - like a comparison between the CF card and the flash memory. Surely there is a difference, and if so - what is it.

Is the CF card and the software that we can get for it similar in function to the TGF-Pro (or whatever it is called). If there is another person out there who uses top heavy programs (like e-books and refences) or another physician - has any extension allowed you to access all the info. (aside: I say this as opposed to those people who use wireless internet, e-mail or gaming software as the predominant software)

What is the difference between the converter cartriges available? Is there a difference in function (every one seems to pay more attention to whether physically it fits as opposed to noting the function) between the Nixst (which claims to be the only one with the official status of "springboard cartidge) and the various others?

What kind of advances are in the future for this file moving and will we be able to take advantage of it?

I hope that this posting is less problematic or repetitive. I have searched for articles up and down the web and have yet to find a good bare bones practical answer to a lot of the questions I still have.

I thank you all in advance.

I don't know if you have already done this but there are reviews of each of these products on the Palm sites around the net. Check out the reviews on this site, pdabuzz.com, & pdalive.com

Posted by septimus on 05-24-2001 06:54 PM:

Here's a very basic overview. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong:

1) Flash Modules
--Accessible directly from the OS, runs directly from module
--wicked fast
--expensive
--comes in either 8 or 16 megs
--limitations: few. You can't run things that have to modify themselves. Check by trial & error, most apps work fine
--pluses: Lots. Fast, idiot proof, invisible.
--Made by Handspring, Hagiwara, Thinmodem, Innogear

2) SD Card
--Accessible indirectly, copies programs to RAM in order to run them. Can, however, read some files, like movies, docs, & pix directly off the card.
--Slow
--Cost is fair to middlin'
--Comes up to 128, I think
--Limitations: good luck getting the memplug module any time soon.
--pluses: VFS means widespread software support for reading files directly.

3) CF Card
--Accessible indirectly. You manually copy files into RAM in ordr to run them. Not Plug'n'Play, but you can read docs right off the card. Advances coming
--Fairly fast
--Pretty cheap
--Also pretty big, up to a gig if you get a powered adapter
--Limitations: No widespread software support until a VFS is implemented
--Pluses: available now, pretty cheap.

4) Memory upgrade
--Accessible directly. Literally changes your internal RAM to 16.
--FAST
--dunno the cost
--8 megs
--Limitations: void your warranty. a week or two w/out a visor
--Pluses: absolutely invisible, no thought necessary. Just more room.

...hope that helps.

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Posted by on 05-24-2001 07:00 PM:

Great review dietrichbohn !!!!!

Posted by mzucker on 05-24-2001 08:14 PM:

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Indeed, A fantastic review. Thank you.

Do you have any references to that information or experience. I have to say that the reviews that I read were not as complimentary about the flash modules. and this is one of the first times that I heard about the internal upgrade.

How prevalent is the internal upgrade?

Can we expect an autoCF type of program (theres another one for the CLIE but I forget its name) for these products (nixst, innogear etc)

lastly, have any of these devices been associated with a significant battery drain? I know that with with the TGFpro there has been reports given a certain operating system.

Again, thank you for the conciseness of the review.

Posted by j762538 on 05-24-2001 08:35 PM:

The third reply in this thread referred to one company that does internal upgrades, www.stnecorp.com. I had them do a 2 to 8 meg upgrade. There is also http://www.palmpilotupgrade.com which seems to be used by most people. I had them do a 8 to 16 meg upgrade on my Platinum. You could start a poll to find out how many have upgraded but I would guess >20. This site also has comparisons. http://members.tripod.com/kyoutendo...mory_matrix.htm

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Posted by septimus on 05-24-2001 09:36 PM:

Re: I want more memory 3

quote:
Originally posted by mzucker
Do you have any references to that information or experience. I have to say that the reviews that I read were not as complimentary about the flash modules.

I've got the first generation CF adapter, in which the cf card sticks out. I'm pretty happy with it, but it's by no means the ideal solution. I think of it as the library I keep around in case I need it, and accept that it takes a while to get a book.

quote:

Can we expect an autoCF type of program (theres another one for the CLIE but I forget its name) for these products (nixst, innogear etc)

yes. When? Next couple of months. Again, I'm sticking my foot in my mouth and speaking from a few passing references I've seen Mr. Kessler make.

quote:

lastly, have any of these devices been associated with a significant battery drain?

Right. Forgot about that. I can't speak to the battery drain on anything else but the CF module. I'd say it shaves 1-2 days off of my NICD rechargeables. I can't speak to the other solutions.

Basically, here's my advice for you:

Figure out how much you can afford to spend & just how much memory you think you'll need in the expansion slot

If the amount of memory is over, say, 10 megs, go for either the CF or the SM (me, I like the CF, but the differences bewt. them are pretty much personal pref. & a matter of your desire to wait. With the CF, you wait for software solutions, with the SM, you wait for the module!).

If it's under 10, get the Hagiwara. If you're really expecting to be a power user, cramming all kinds of maps, web pages, & so on, get the internal upgrade.

If cost is an issue, get what you can afford!... but since you're a physician, I'll asume that's not the case

Finally, have you looked at the modules at PalmGear. There are medical references there. I don't have a clue as to whether they're good or not. Maybe that's all you need.

(p.s. This is just me: on my 8 meg VDX, I keep Avantgo & a bunch of web pages, Anna Karenina full text, a pile of games, WordSmith, Quicksheet, a big old pile of personal databases (CDs, Book lists, etc), and more, and still manage to hover around 700k free. On my CF card I store extra books, back up my apps, store extra games, maps, etc, and switch back and forth as necessary.)

Hope that answers your questions.

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Posted by bkbk on 05-24-2001 10:21 PM:

Doc,
Don't forget to check the PDA MD site, too:

http://www.pdamd.com/vertical/home.xml

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