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Posted by KRamsauer on 10-18-2002 07:22 PM:

Whatever happened to those reports of one of the hijackers in Florida (before sept 11th, obviously) going into a drugstore looking for an ointment for a rash on his hand consistent with anthrax? Were they discreditted? I would assume so as that would be fairly big news if true.

Posted by Toby on 10-18-2002 07:36 PM:

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Originally posted by KRamsauer
Whatever happened to those reports of one of the hijackers in Florida (before sept 11th, obviously) going into a drugstore looking for an ointment for a rash on his hand consistent with anthrax? [...]

What reports?

Posted by KRamsauer on 10-18-2002 08:29 PM:

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Originally posted by Toby
What reports?

http://query.nytimes.com/search/art...750C0A9649C8B63

Posted by Toby on 10-18-2002 08:35 PM:

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Originally posted by KRamsauer
http://query.nytimes.com/search/art...750C0A9649C8B63

And if you've never seen a subsequent report confirming it, why would you put any credit in it in the first place, especially considering the close of the article?

quote:
John E. Collingwood, an F.B.I. spokesman, said the possibility of a connection between the hijackers and the anthrax attacks had been deeply explored.

''This was fully investigated and widely vetted among multiple agencies several months ago,'' Mr. Collingwood said. ''Exhaustive testing did not support that anthrax was present anywhere the hijackers had been. While we always welcome new information, nothing new has in fact developed.''

Posted by KRamsauer on 10-18-2002 09:54 PM:

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Originally posted by Toby

And if you've never seen a subsequent report confirming it, why would you put any credit in it in the first place, especially considering the close of the article?

Hm.... I don't remember saying it was true. I said what happened to the reports? I'm airing all possibilities here, not advocating one or the other. Indeed I hinted that they were probably untrue in my original post. I prefer not having people put words in my mouth, though, thank you very much.

Posted by Toby on 10-18-2002 10:28 PM:

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Originally posted by KRamsauer
Hm.... I don't remember saying it was true.

"Were they discredited?" implies you give them some degree of credence (which is apparently unwarranted given your link).

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I said what happened to the reports?

OK, have you seen any new reports? If not, the discreditation by the FBI would seem to remain true.

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I'm airing all possibilities here, not advocating one or the other. Indeed I hinted that they were probably untrue in my original post.

If you thought they were untrue, and were referring to the article you linked to, then it seems that should have answered your own question before asking it.

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I prefer not having people put words in my mouth, though, thank you very much.

I'm not putting words into your mouth. I'm offering you a framework to arrive at a decision.

Posted by KRamsauer on 10-18-2002 11:05 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Toby
"Were they discredited?" implies you give them some degree of credence (which is apparently unwarranted given your link).[B]OK, have you seen any new reports? If not, the discreditation by the FBI would seem to remain true.[B]If you thought they were untrue, and were referring to the article you linked to, then it seems that should have answered your own question before asking it.[B]I'm not putting words into your mouth. I'm offering you a framework to arrive at a decision.

Wow, you're being difficult. I post something to ask if anyone else had heard anything about it and I end up with this response. I give up.

Posted by John Nowak on 10-19-2002 01:01 AM:

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Originally posted by KRamsauer
Wow, you're being difficult. I post something to ask if anyone else had heard anything about it and I end up with this response. I give up.

I'm afraid you're wrong -- he's being logical.

Posted by KRamsauer on 10-19-2002 01:12 AM:

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Originally posted by John Nowak

I'm afraid you're wrong -- he's being logical.

Wow. I post a question about what people have heard and I'm accused of knowing the answer to my own question? That's simply not the case. Please read my original post and tell me if you think any of the following statements are justified:

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""Were they discredited?" implies you give them some degree of credence (which is apparently unwarranted given your link)."

Just because somehting can be discreditted doesn't mean I believe it. For instance if you were to claim the earth is flat. I can logically ask "has that been discreditted?"

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"OK, have you seen any new reports? If not, the discreditation by the FBI would seem to remain true."

That was my question in the first place! I haven't seen anything, and I said as much.

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"If you thought they were untrue, and were referring to the article you linked to, then it seems that should have answered your own question before asking it."

I was looking for other people's input not someone telling me how stupid I am for even asking it.

Posted by KRamsauer on 10-19-2002 01:17 AM:

I'm going to repost using what I think is unambiguous language to satisfy those who insist on questioning every little thing I write.

quote:
Whatever happened to those reports of one of the hijackers in Florida (before sept 11th, obviously) going into a drugstore looking for an ointment for a rash on his hand consistent with anthrax? Were they discreditted? I would assume so as that would be fairly big news if true.

Is now:
A while ago there were stories of a potential link between the anthrax cases and the Sept 11th hijackers. Has anyone heard anything more about this since then? I'm not suggesting a link but I cannot read every piece of news in the world. I'm wondering if using the larger readership that is encompassed by this forum something else has been mentioned?
Please don't think I've answered my own question because otherwise I wouldn't have asked it! I haven't read every morsel of information over the past year.

Posted by John Nowak on 10-19-2002 01:30 AM:

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Originally posted by KRamsauer
Wow. I post a question about what people have heard and I'm accused of knowing the answer to my own question?

The answer to your question was in the report you cited.

The proper response is "Oh gee, I missed the bit where my own posted link answers my own question. What a big silly I am." And then everyone would have responded with "Heck, everyone goofs."

You seem incapable of admitting that.

Posted by KRamsauer on 10-19-2002 01:32 AM:

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Originally posted by John Nowak

The answer to your question was in the report you cited.

The proper response is "Oh gee, I missed the bit where my own posted link answers my own question. What a big silly I am." And then everyone would have responded with "Heck, everyone goofs."

You seem incapable of admitting that.

Clearly I am looking for additional information beyond the scope of that article. I'm simply looking for more information. Nothing more. Nothing less. :-) Additionally, my posted link was made after my posted question and when I posted my question I was not aware of that article. I was relying on my brain and auditory reports from around that time. Going back to your application of logic, it was incorrect to assume I knew the latter (the linked article) when making the former(question about anyone reading something such as the link). So to address your comment that I'm incapable of admitting wrong (first of all, that's entirely true as I make mistakes all the time! look at how many posts I've made have been editted

). I submitted a reply to my own question, though didn't answer it, that's true. But my question was a shotgun. It was looking for any and all reports people might have seen/heard. In such a context the link I posted (not known by me when I asked the question) is part of the answer yes, but it doesn't shut the door to other contributions and it certainly doesn't open me up to criticisms that my posts are pointless. I'm sure you understand.

Posted by KRamsauer on 10-19-2002 01:44 AM:

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Originally posted by John Nowak

I'm afraid you're wrong -- he's being logical.

Since when is being logical and difficult impossible? If someone is trying to be the former and ends up being the latter, it isn't hard to say as much. "I'm sorry, I meant nothing by it." That's all I'm really expecting. I trust he wasn't doing it on purpose. Likewise I wasn't trying to say I didn't answer my own question, because in part I did. I am just looking for what everyone else has heard. I'm sorry if I came across as incapable of admitting mistakes.

I made mistake in mistakenly making you mistakenly think I don't admit mistakes. Ug. My head hurts now.

Posted by ToolkiT on 10-19-2002 09:40 AM:

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Originally posted by John Nowak

C'mon, Toby -- if there weren't a United States to complain about, Toolkit would have nop opinions at all.

LOL!
Trust me I have plenty of other opinions too...
Anyone care to discuss dutch politics?

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Posted by KRamsauer on 10-19-2002 02:58 PM:

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Originally posted by ToolkiT
LOL!
Trust me I have plenty of other opinions too...
Anyone care to discuss dutch politics?

Dutch politics? I thought you lived in Australia.

The more interesting question would be discussing the erosion of Dutch politics while Brussels takes it over.

Posted by ToolkiT on 10-19-2002 03:40 PM:

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Originally posted by KRamsauer
Dutch politics? I thought you lived in Australia.

The more interesting question would be discussing the erosion of Dutch politics while Brussels takes it over.

I do, but am dutch though... my point was there are heaps of things I can talk/rant about where you would know much about. If I rant about certain things in the US that is because that is a common topic...

But the erosion of dutch politics while Brussel takes over is far far away... the current goverment can do the eroding all by its self

hence the fall of the dutch cabinet this week...

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Posted by KRamsauer on 10-19-2002 04:07 PM:

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Originally posted by ToolkiT

I do, but am dutch though... my point was there are heaps of things I can talk/rant about where you would know much about. If I rant about certain things in the US that is because that is a common topic...

But the erosion of dutch politics while Brussel takes over is far far away... the current goverment can do the eroding all by its self hence the fall of the dutch cabinet this week...

Are you a pro European Union Dutchman or Dutch nationalist? Do you shed a tear when you realize there are no more Guilders? That was the unit of currency, right?

Posted by ToolkiT on 10-19-2002 04:11 PM:

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Originally posted by KRamsauer
Are you a pro European Union Dutchman or Dutch nationalist?

One doesn't neccesary exclude the other, but I'm Pro-Europe.

quote:
Originally posted by KRamsauer
Do you shed a tear when you realize there are no more Guilders? That was the unit of currency, right?

The Euro is a good thing, too bad a lot of retail shops took advantage of the situation and jacked up the prices

I do miss the Guilder (or in dutch: gulden) because it was very pretty, while the euro is a bit boring money..

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Posted by KRamsauer on 10-19-2002 04:50 PM:

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Originally posted by ToolkiT

One doesn't neccesary exclude the other, but I'm Pro-Europe.

The Euro is a good thing, too bad a lot of retail shops took advantage of the situation and jacked up the prices
I do miss the Guilder (or in dutch: gulden) because it was very pretty, while the euro is a bit boring money..

I read somewhere that the bridges and such that are on the bills actually don't exist. To avoid offending left-out countries the designers of the notes decided to simply make things up that represent certain periods of European history.

As for my own opinion on the matter, the Euro as a concept is great, but only if the rest of the European Monetary Union's rules are enforced. If the ecnomies are not in sync because of different regulatory structures the inability of a country to control its monetary policy is a big problem. If the fortunes of the countries are closely tied then there is no real problem combining monetary policy and the increased efficiency gains from the common currency will drop straight to the "bottom line" and help both countries.

Posted by ToolkiT on 10-19-2002 04:53 PM:

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Originally posted by KRamsauer
I read somewhere that the bridges and such that are on the bills actually don't exist. To avoid offending left-out countries the designers of the notes decided to simply make things up that represent certain periods of European history.

That was the plan, but somebody discovered that a lot of those bridges look very much like a couple of bridges in france...
But does it really matter one wonders... not for me anyway...

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