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Originally posted by Matthew Nichols
In Reply To Cerulean's Cents:
2. I see now way to enfore a car pool lane and I think its a little dumb, a bus lane wouldn't be bad though.

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Josh (dick-richardson) said it well. Raising gas prices raise prices on anything that has to be shipped, no matter what form of transportation (unless you use nuclear powered submarines, ha!, I crack myself up

Do you folks realize that one of the reasons gas prices were so high was because of the extreme ENVIRONMENTAL restrictions placed on the refineries by the Clinton administration? If you don't believe me, do a little research (using an unbiased source, which doesn't include the liberal controlled mass-media). Also, check out the amount of tax applied per gallon. In a lot of States it ranges from 25-40% of the price of the gas. I'm lucky to live in Alabama with the lowest tax on gas of any state.

If the environmentalists would get off their emmission controlled rear ends and allow drilling for oil in the U.S. (we've got tons just sitting around down there) we'd have our own resources to fall back on when the OPEC dictators decide to cut back and raise prices (but remember that the price is also pegged by taxes on us and oil refineries).

Do any of you know what the average gas mileage of a car was in the 50's - 70's? Worse than the worst gas guzling SUV. Around 10 MPG from what I hear from grandparents, older friends and reports. So I'm pretty happy when my Isuzu Rodeo gets it's average 17 MPG.

I'm happy paying what I have to for gas for my SUV. I'm not for polluting the earth that my God has given us, but I say that most environmentalists take it too far.

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Originally posted by Burns
Do you folks realize that one of the reasons gas prices were so high was because of the extreme ENVIRONMENTAL restrictions placed on the refineries by the Clinton administration?

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Just to bring this slightly back on topic - regular unleaded this weekend at Costco in the L.A. area - $1.51.

BTW - I do drive an SUV. I used to drive a 2-door sports car - but the first time I tried to bring home a regular sized television and couldn't, my mind was made up. It may use up gas, etc., but it's less pollutant than a diesel delivery truck.

BTW2 - I've started taking a commuter express bus to work, but unless I can guarantee to leave the office by 6, I'm screwed, because that's when it stops.

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Originally posted by ToolkiT
Also the US should seriously invest in its public transport or it might get in big trouble once the oilwells dry out or the air gets too poluted (which ever comes first)

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Diesel burns more efficiently than gas (making allowances for vehicle maintenance). IOW, diesel only has a bad rap because of poorly tuned semi's.

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Originally posted by Matthew Nichols


I'm sorry, and I don't mean to offend any non-Americans, but foreigners have this odd assumption that America is full of pollution. America is a very clean country, cleaner than its been in a long time, and I'm a bit tired of people from other countries thinking we have rivers full of sludge and that we mow down every tree we see.

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Originally posted by ToolkiT
Also why does the US have 92 octane petrol? No wonder you buy the big V8's. In europe you tank 95 or 98 octane and a 1.6 liter engine will do, no need for a (heavy!) 5 liter V8...

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In Georgia we have 87, 89, and 91-93 Octane levels. Most automobiles will run on 87 Octane. However, there are several cars that will only run on the Premium Fuel, which is considered 91+ Octane. I drive an Acura Integra GSR and the VTEC engine requires that I run Premium Fuel. Sure, I pay more for it, but I have a reliable, somewhat quick, well handling car that gets anywhere from 25 to 32 MPG. Not to mention it gets great emissions.

One thing that I believe would make people more willing to drive fuel efficient automobiles is to make owning them a benefit. Instead of penalizing those who drive gas guzzlers, give a tax rebate to those who drive more efficient cars.

Also, I do not think we will ever see gasoline engines go away completely. The government makes so much money on the Oil they would not want to give up the revenue. The gas is not that expensive anyway, it is the tax that is killing us. I cannot believe they get away with ~.50 a gallon. How did we as Democracy allow this? Not to mention the fact that the US drills for oil on its on soil and then EXPORTS it, while the oil we use is IMPORTED and taxed like crazy.

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Originally posted by GSR13:
One thing that I believe would make people more willing to drive fuel efficient automobiles is to make owning them a benefit. Instead of penalizing those who drive gas guzzlers, give a tax rebate to those who drive more efficient cars.

That'll never work. It's far too logical and sensible.

[...] The government makes so much money on the Oil they would not want to give up the revenue. The gas is not that expensive anyway, it is the tax that is killing us. I cannot believe they get away with ~.50 a gallon. How did we as Democracy allow this?

1) We're not a democracy. We're a representative republic. 2) Being a representative republic, the system only works when the citizenry actually pays attention to what their representatives do, and holds them accountable. 3) Have you looked at voting statistics (ratio of registered voters to those eligible to vote, registered voters who actually turn up to vote, etc.) recently? There's your answer.

Not to mention the fact that the US drills for oil on its on soil and then EXPORTS it, while the oil we use is IMPORTED and taxed like crazy.

*sigh* Yeah, and people in Florida can stop drilling/exploration in a location that's closer to Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama than most of them are.

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Originally posted by ToolkiT
Also why does the US have 92 octane petrol? No wonder you buy the big V8's. In europe you tank 95 or 98 octane and a 1.6 liter engine will do, no need for a (heavy!) 5 liter V8...

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Originally posted by Matthew Nichols
In Reply To Cerulean's Cents:
1. I hardly expect people to contact someone on the internet and rrange to car pool with a stranger, let alone the difficulty of getting cow-orkers to car pool.
2. I see now way to enfore a car pool lane and I think its a little dumb, a bus lane wouldn't be bad though.

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We now have HOV lanes in Atlanta on a portion of Interstate 75. They are enforced daily and done so 24 hours a day. However, there is always someone who jumps in the lane to pass a slower driver. Not really sure how much time is really saved taking this lane. It would certainly be more beneficial if you could exit directly from the HOV lane without having to cross 06 lanes to get to the off ramp.

Of course, some cities designed the HOV lane as a seperate lane completely, in that it is in the center and they have concrete barriers up. The only way to access it is from the exit ramps. You cannot just merge into it from normal traffic.

While that seems to be a better design, it would require a great deal of work to convert to existing interstates. It definately would have to be built as the road is being built.

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What does "HOV" stand for? Living in a relatively rural area, there are no carpool lanes. Thanks.

yeah, okay, so there are some things I don't know ...

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Originally posted by Yorick
What does "HOV" stand for? Living in a relatively rural area, there are no carpool lanes.

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Originally posted by Toby
That'll never work. It's far too logical and sensible.

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1) We're not a democracy. We're a representative republic. 2) Being a representative republic, the system only works when the citizenry actually pays attention to what their representatives do, and holds them accountable. 3) Have you looked at voting statistics (ratio of registered voters to those eligible to vote, registered voters who actually turn up to vote, etc.) recently? There's your answer.

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*sigh* Yeah, and people in Florida can stop drilling/exploration in a location that's closer to Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama than most of them are.

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Originally posted by GSR13
We now have HOV lanes in Atlanta on a portion of Interstate 75. They are enforced daily and done so 24 hours a day. However, there is always someone who jumps in the lane to pass a slower driver. Not really sure how much time is really saved taking this lane. It would certainly be more beneficial if you could exit directly from the HOV lane without having to cross 06 lanes to get to the off ramp.

Of course, some cities designed the HOV lane as a seperate lane completely, in that it is in the center and they have concrete barriers up. The only way to access it is from the exit ramps. You cannot just merge into it from normal traffic.

While that seems to be a better design, it would require a great deal of work to convert to existing interstates. It definately would have to be built as the road is being built.

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Originally posted by sdoersam


As screwy as this may sound, the US uses a different system for rating octane than the rest of the world, so the ratings my not be that different. 87 octane in the US is about 91 octane else where. You can see it explained a little bit here. And you always thought the USA liked to inflate its ratings...

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Originally posted by ToolkiT


Oh no! when will the US finaly use a world wide standard (in anything for that matter.. )
I guess the market in the US is big enought they can get away with using their own standard....
Ironically the US standard are lot of the times worse than the worldwide standard...
Miles v.s. KM's
NTSC v.s. PAl
110V vs 240V
etc etc.

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Originally posted by ToolkiT


Oh no! when will the US finaly use a world wide standard (in anything for that matter.. )
I guess the market in the US is big enought they can get away with using their own standard....
Ironically the US standard are lot of the times worse than the worldwide standard...
Miles v.s. KM's
NTSC v.s. PAl
110V vs 240V
etc etc.

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