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Posted by JHromadka on 11-10-2000 03:02 PM:

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Discuss the FullCharge by eXtend Computers here.

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Posted by John Nowak on 11-10-2000 04:25 PM:

Just ordered it. It seems it will be the best of both worlds -- a battery that can be recharged overnight with tthe ability to use off-the-shelf AAAs on trips or in emergencies. I hope it ships on time and that it works as expected!


Posted by LanMan on 11-10-2000 04:28 PM:

Thumbs up

Looks pretty good to me!

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Posted by everything's a blur on 11-10-2000 05:07 PM:

Question

This product looks really interesting. I wonder, however, if Handspring was going to come out with somehting similar to this.

Why do I say that? Well, when Visor's first became availbe in retail stores here in Canada, I picked one up the second day they were out. When I did, I stood and talked with a Handspring representative who was telling us that he had read in some of his Handspring mail that a rechargable battery unit would be available for Visors in the next 30 days (this was back in August), insinuating that product was already being produced. Needless to say that came and went so I just dropped it. Interesting nonetheless (to me anyway).

This third party product still looks great though. I wonder how the power output/capacity compares to using NiMH AAA rechargable batteries (which I use most of the time). The web site says the cover is clear, but it looks awfully greenish to me.


Posted by mensachicken on 11-10-2000 05:42 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by everything's a blur

This third party product still looks great though. I wonder how the power output/capacity compares to using NiMH AAA rechargable batteries (which I use most of the time). The web site says the cover is clear, but it looks awfully greenish to me.



If you read the faq, both of these questions are answered. The battery last about 2/3rds as long as alkaline batteries.

They also say that if you buy one and then mail them the battery back from *your* visor (presumably regardless of color), they'll drill the holes in it so it'll work and send it back to you if you pay postage.

mc.


Posted by Dafydd on 11-10-2000 05:47 PM:

Thumbs up Fullcharge, NiMH

I have been using AAA NiMH's for almost a year now. My son and I both have VisorD's, and we bought four sets and keep two sets in the charger all the time. They have been graet! What a $ savings! A year on eight AAA's for two VisD's! If I didn't have the AAA set up the Fullcharge system would be what I would go. The idea of charging while using is no concern if you have two sets. But constantly opoening the battery compartment to replace battteries (twice a week) makes me wonder when it will wear out? Being able to recharge while driving . . .hmm.
My next road trip just might need a Fullcharge.
Dafydd.


Posted by SCM on 11-10-2000 06:11 PM:

Unhappy What am I missing here?

How is this product any different from buying regular NiMH batteries and a charger? It seems to be alot more expensive than going that route also. If this allows you to charge the batteries while they are in the Visor, this also requires that your Visor be connected to a wall for a couple of hours versus taking a couple of minutes to change out some batteries. Am I missing some other advantage to this unit?

Stephen


Posted by mensachicken on 11-10-2000 07:20 PM:

Re: What am I missing here?

quote:
Originally posted by SCM
Am I missing some other advantage to this unit?

Stephen



yes, you're missing the fact that if you use regular rechargeables that you have to have two sets (one in the visor, one in the charger), and that if you forget to recharge your back up pair and the one in your visor dies then you're out of luck and have to buy some non rechargables. with this unit you could just plug it in and continue working on it as it charges.

yes, this is more expensive, but much more convenient.

mc.


Posted by PDAENVY on 11-10-2000 07:38 PM:

Re: What am I missing here?

quote:
Originally posted by SCM
How is this product any different from buying regular NiMH batteries and a charger? It seems to be alot more expensive than going that route also. If this allows you to charge the batteries while they are in the Visor, this also requires that your Visor be connected to a wall for a couple of hours versus taking a couple of minutes to change out some batteries. Am I missing some other advantage to this unit?

Stephen


I'm seriously considering getting one for this scenario:
- Keep the cord plugged in at my nightstand.
- Read ebook or avantgo in bed before sleep as I always do.
- Plug FullCharge into Visor.
- Turn off lights and go to sleep.
- Unplug Visor in the morning and take it with me.

Results:
- Never change NiMH batteries again!
- Never be stuck with 2 sets of dead batteries and no Visor.

As for the expense, I easily spent $34.95 on an NiMH charger and 2 sets of NiMH batteries. Same cost.

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Posted by SCM on 11-10-2000 08:53 PM:

Re: Re: What am I missing here?

quote:
Originally posted by mensachicken
[QUOTE]

if the one in your visor dies, with this unit you could just plug it in and continue working on it as it charges.
mc.



You could plug it in only if you happen to be carrying the cord around when the batteries are going dead. If not, you're in the same situation, needing a couple of alkalines to pop in until you get back to you charging station. I'm pretty mobile with my visor, so I wouldn't be able to have the charger with at all times, nor would I want to have the visor tried to an outlet while it recharges.

On the other hand, if I followed a nightly recharging practice like PDAEnvy is talking about, this shouldn't be a problem. But there isn't any other real advantage to these particular batteries over other rechargables, is there? They don't have a longer life, or faster recharge or anything like that, do they?

Stephen


Posted by PDAENVY on 11-10-2000 09:13 PM:

Re: Re: Re: What am I missing here?

quote:
Originally posted by SCM
But there isn't any other real advantage to these particular batteries over other rechargables, is there? They don't have a longer life, or faster recharge or anything like that, do they?


You're right. I expect that if you cut open their battery pack, you'd find 2 industrial AAA "cells" (i.e. the guts of AAA consumer batteries before they are labeled and have the 'bump' attached on one end) wired to the battery pack terminals.

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Posted by MarkEagle on 11-10-2000 11:50 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by everything's a blur
...I stood and talked with a Handspring representative who was telling us that he had read in some of his Handspring mail that a rechargable battery unit would be available for Visors in the next 30 days (this was back in August), insinuating that product was already being produced.


Hmmm... could we have been experiencing an early leak of the Prism? (I'm sure they were in production in August)


As for the FullCharge, it's not really any more expensive than a good set of NiMH's (4) and a decent NiMH charger. I think I paid 34.95 for my MAHA MH-C204F charger and 4-AAA's.

I like the ability of the FullCharge to power the Visor while in use. Should make for longer sessions of using accessories/modules like the Thinmodem and Stowaway (remember, these are Visor-powered). Of course, only if you're near a power source.

I'll be ordering the Power User Kit (doing the Tim Taylor ToolTime grunt ).

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Posted by pilot1000user on 11-11-2000 06:20 AM:

Thumbs up

I have had a full charge for my palm VIIx for a while and i love it. i only charge them once a week and they work great. before this i had regular rechargables and i find these to be more convient and longer life. i usally plug it in one night and it is full in a few hours.


Posted by Palmdex on 11-11-2000 03:28 PM:

Looks good, but priced a little high...

I've been waiting for a rechargeable solution for my Visor for a long time, but this solution is a bit expensive.

A rechargeable battery is invaluable for any PDA, but I wouldn't feel comfortable using this one with it's price. Don't get me wrong it is about time that a rechargeable battery solution came out, and I'd love to have a rechargeable battery for my Visor. But... this one is kinda pricey.


Posted by Vinny on 11-12-2000 01:38 AM:

FullCharge is for me!

The FullCharge will be a great solution for me. I've been getting frustrated at going through batteries every two weeks lately with heavy note taking in class. That's what I get for letting people play Zap2K on my Visor though . For $30 this will save me money in the long run and be very convenient for me. Now all I need is to get a springboard so that I can prove to people that something actually does go in there!

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Posted by BrianX124 on 11-12-2000 04:03 AM:

Lol...

Lol Vinny..I know where your coming from...i'm getting this recharger as soon as I possibly can...I've ben going through batteries like nothing after letting some friends use it during Study Hall. "Get Your Own For The Love Of God!!!!" lol


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Posted by Vinny on 11-12-2000 04:45 AM:

Doh! Just looked at release date

December 6th, that makes it a perfect Christmas gift!

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Posted by SCM on 11-13-2000 02:20 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by MarkEagle

I like the ability of the FullCharge to power the Visor while in use. Should make for longer sessions of using accessories/modules like the Thinmodem and Stowaway (remember, these are Visor-powered).



Good point about longer sessions with the Stowaway. I hadn't thought about that, but this would be handy when I'm working on a paper, report or something. I can also see an advantage when on a trip. I wouldn't have to bring along a separate charger. I'm starting to come around on this, I think. Keep posting the pros!!

Stephen


Posted by SCM on 11-13-2000 07:00 PM:

Question Initial installation

Just thought of another question about Full Charge.

The web sight says that Full Charge can only be charged while in a Visor and that it takes about 12 hours to charge a fully depleted unit. I assume that the units are shipped uncharged, and when you initially install one, the Visor's memory must be maintained by the AC current charging the unit. Is this correct? If so, then I had better get the unit plugged in immediately after instalation if I don't want to loose everything on my Visor.

SCM


Posted by PDAENVY on 11-13-2000 07:34 PM:

Re: Initial installation

quote:
Originally posted by SCM
Just thought of another question about Full Charge.

The web sight says that Full Charge can only be charged while in a Visor ...


Interesting point. I hadn't noticed this.

quote:

and that it takes about 12 hours to
fully charge a fully depleted unit.


Certainly you could unplug after a couple of hours and have some charge. Of course, maybe it's better to full-charge it once first. I don't know.

quote:

I had better get the unit plugged in immediately after instalation if I don't want to loose everything on my Visor.

Probably a good idea. Probably a good idea to use your backup module first too.

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