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septimus
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You know, all this would be so much easier if everybody would just admit that Paul Wellstone has the directly revealed word of god written down in his little campaign bus. I mean, really, come on.

D-R... are you looking to repeat the scale of our religious discussion in the political arena w/ others?

VTL: Sweeden is better than America in many ways. But I'm sticking with America, I'm all for individualism.

All: I'm willing to bet that a lot of these problems are directly caused by, you guessed it, bad campaign finance.

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Without trying to be high-and-mighty, sometimes it's forced.

True. But due to trauma, only .1% of rapes result in pregnancy. For those .1%, I haven't been able to resolve the conflict in my mind.
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And since it's been brought up, why does no one consider the zygote? What makes the fetus so special, just because it's further developed?

I do.

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D-R... are you looking to repeat the scale of our religious discussion in the political arena w/ others?

You too.

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All: I'm willing to bet that a lot of these problems are directly caused by, you guessed it, bad campaign finance.

I agree, partly.

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I hate the mainly republican ideas, that women shouldn't have a choice, and if they get pregnant their screwed - sorry charlie, if you ain't born - breathing and all on your own, you are just a fetus, nothing more. And if it means letting the moth get a college education, because she didn't have to spend her life struggling to take care of you (the kid), I will be glad, because to me it's 2 lives lost, when an unwanted baby is born.




I felt like responding to this comment as well. The point of who decided to have sex...etc. has already been made, and I agree with what dick-richardson has said. My biggest concern however does not just deal with the unborn child's mother. Where is the father? What upsets me more than anything today, is that when young girls get pregnant, the guy tends to disappear. If the couple is "adult enough" to have sex, then they should be "adult enough" to take on the responsibility of their actions. I wish more men would take on the responsibility of father. But no, they push all of the trouble onto the girl and walk away.

There would be no such problems, if society in general had any morals. I feel as though the media has corrupted our once beautiful nation. Look at the filth that can be seen on TV. 10 years ago, you wouldn't have heard 99% of the references to sex and immorality that you hear today. But little by little, the media has slowly desensitized the people of out country.

It is sad to see all of the problems, and I have compassion on those who find themselves in hard situations like the mother of an unwanted child. I hope and pray that those who are in that situation will learn and grow from their troubles and sorrows. I admire those women who do take full responsibility. 2 lives aren't lost at all. The mothers life can be saved. She can learn and grow, and make things worth it. And as for the child, he has the opportunity to live. What a blessing. Life is a time to learn and grow. Although there is so much pain, and suffering in the world, the opportunity to live is worth every bit of it.

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chuckster and miradu, sweeping generalizations are only going to piss people off.

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I don't want to upset anyone, I removed part of my post to prevent that. I hope no offence was/is taken to any of my opinions. That is what they are...opinions. So, if I have upset anyone with any posts that I have made, I'm sorry.

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All world leaders are hypocrites. They're human. Why should a title give some schmuck any more intelligence/wisdom/whatever than the rest of the dregs that are humanity? You want better leaders? Strive to make yourself and those around you better people. Stop worrying about what religion or party they belong to. Start thinking like a person, not like an idealogue. Raise your own personal bar and try to get others to do the same. Imagine there's no country ...

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Your attempt to correct the error by analogizing missle defense - a system designed to render "weapons of mass destruction" ineffective - is unpersuasive. Again, there are legitimate arguments to be made on the wisdom of missile defense, but equating them with weapons of mass destruction is not one of them. Your argument is rather like saying - cops shouldn't wear bullet proof vests, it just encourages some criminals to buy bigger guns to try and defeat them.


In case it wasn't obvious, one of the simplest ways to negate the advantage of missile defense is to overwhelm the system. By simply putting more missiles in the air, you'll guarantee that a certain number of them will get through. So a missile defense shield doesn't make "weapons of mass destruction" ineffective, it just guarantees that there will be a whole lot more of them around.

Also, every time I've heard the term "weapons of mass destruction" it has also included bioweapons, which no missile defense shield can protect against.

Oh, and the criminals don't need bigger guns. They just need pointier bullets.

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O.K. first question is: How many of you who dislike the state of the United States have ever LIVED in another country? I grew up overseas, in one of the most corrupt countries with a one-sided government. Anyone who spoke against the leaders were imprisoned or were amazingly killed in some accident. The level of corruption in the U.S. is incredibly minute compared to other countries around the world.

As far as missile defense and weapons of mass destruction go, how many of you making comments know someone who works in this arena? Well, as a matter of fact, I do: me. The missiles used in missile defense are NOT weapons of mass destruction. Bush is infact in favor of cutting back on the number of nuclear weapons in the U.S.

As far as the military goes, I think many people take for granted that the U.S. is a super power. How did we become a super power? It wasn't with a military the size we have now, thanks to Clinton. Our military is in trouble as far as size goes as it is right now because of how much Clinton desimated it (he cut back the size of the military for those of you who don't know). These soldiers protect the way of life of this country and they deserve more respect and admiration and support than most U.S. citizens give them.

In reference to the dealth penalty: What would you rather happen to a convicted murderer: 1) Punishment for the crime he/she has commited in direct proportion to the crime; 2) Confined leisure living with much of the same niceties of life that you and I enjoy like cable TV, internet, etc.

First of all, it costs an incredible amount of money to keep them in prison for their lifetime sentance.

Second, there is actual Biblical support for capital punishment, for those of you who are professed religious. Just look at the Old Testament in Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, etc. Capital punishment was actually used in many more crimes than what it is today in the U.S. If you are a professed Christian, there is even more support for capital punishment that goes above and beyond the law of Moses. If you believe the Bible, then you should know the verse that says "The wages of sin is death" and "all have sinned and come short of the glory of God." In other words, everyone is a sinner, and anyone that sins is convicted and sentenced to death. Only belief and trust in Jesus Christ as the one who has taken that sentance in place of you will save you from that death penalty.

Ok, enough of Biblical reference. [if anyone wants to discuss the biblical aspect of this further, please do not do so in this thread, I'll start another thread. just click]

China's human rights violations are not comparable to capital punishment in my opinion. The government supported killings that take place are not necessarily murderers or even criminals as we see them. They could be people that have spoken a word against the government in public. They could be children that happen to be an addition to a family that already has the government limit of children. The capital punishment issue isn't the only aspect of the human rights violations in China. I'm not going into them because they haven't been brought up yet.

Well, that's all from me for now.

[THE ABOVE COMMENTS ARE OPINIONS OF THE POSTER AND ARE NOT NECESSARILY THE OPINIONS OF THIS BOARD OR ANYONE ELSE POSTING ON THIS BOARD]


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Second, there is actual Biblical support for capital punishment, for those of you who are professed religious. [...][if anyone wants to discuss the biblical aspect of this further, please do not do so in this thread, I'll start another thread. just look for it]


Well, start it up. It's bad enough that people go around citing the bible is authoritative in policy decisions in a country whose gov't is supposed to be separated from religion... it's worse when it's misused (and I ain't Xn!).

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Hmmm

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I felt like responding to this comment as well. The point of who decided to have sex...etc. has already been made, and I agree with what dick-richardson has said. My biggest concern however does not just deal with the unborn child's mother. Where is the father? What upsets me more than anything today, is that when young girls get pregnant, the guy tends to disappear. If the couple is "adult enough" to have sex, then they should be "adult enough" to take on the responsibility of their actions. I wish more men would take on the responsibility of father. But no, they push all of the trouble onto the girl and walk away.




I agree with what you are saying here. But why is that Society holds a father responsible for support etc when the child is born but the father have NO SAY if a "baby" get aborted? Is this yet another double-standard in our society? Why is that a 14 year old cannot vote, cannot drink and cannot have sex with anyone older than 18 when they can be tried as adults and executed for their actions?

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No matter what a minor may think, they are not mature enough, wise enough and informed enough to make the decisions of an adult. Of course the same can be said for SOME adults If, however, the minor purposely and conciously chooses to make an adult decision to commit a crime that results in adult circumstances, that person is responsible for making that adult decision and, in my opinion, should be punished the same as an adult.

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All world leaders are hypocrites. They're human. Why should a title give some schmuck any more intelligence/wisdom/whatever than the rest of the dregs that are humanity?


If you are stating that being a world leader necessarily makes you hypocritical, I must disagree.

President Carter, while most people would agree was an ineffective president a best, was and is one of the most humble national/world figures. His religous conscience has led him to make major contributions to less priviledged people in the US through Habitat for Humanity. When he broke with the branch of the Baptist Church that he had been with for decades, it was because he believed that some of their tenets were ethically wrong and rather than accept dogma he chose to persue his strong faith elsewhere. His efforts in negotiation post-presidency also appear to be out of genuine concern.

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Ok I'll jump in here!

Here are some things to ponder:

1. Perhaps Dubya's thinking on missile defense is: If we build a defense system that shows we can shoot down other's missles then mayben the others will think it futile to build the first missles since they can be shot down and Russia went broke trying to keep up with the US in the cold war. Therefore, the other's won't waste their dollars on building and escalating because America has proven that we will not stop on spending for Defense (or offensive) weapons.

2. Capital Punishment: We do "kill" more people than perhaps other countries however they are typically tried and convicted and it takes on average 10 to 14 years for the capital offense to be carried out. Now in Somalia the ethnic cleansing there took the lives of 2 Million and who was the judge and who was the jury? Same thing in the greater Yugoslavia-Baltic issue the Milasovic (spelling) is being tried for.

3. Abortion: IMHO the women can choose to abort but should obtain legal permission from the father.

These are my opinions and I'm still thankful that I live in America because I know that the "secret police" won't show up on my doorstep tomorrow as a result. And consider that if Hitler had won the war or Japan, where would we be now? I'll accept this reality and not dwell on another.

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Arrow Refreshing

I it refreshing to see an American critizing America for a change. I agree with most of what Dick had to say. America is not much better than the comuntries it ceriticizes. It does not practice what it preaches. Why is it that they still have that old ineffective embargo against Cuba, yet trade with CHina that have even worse human rights record (I know its teh trade...but its still hypocritical? Why is that America is full have talk about democracy around the world when they are and have propped up undemocratic and brutal regimes around the world?

The fact of the matter is that America cares about itself and itself only. They pretend to care about the world, but they only care about the parts of the world that can add their Gross Domestic Product.

As far the miiltary, the last thing America needs is more money in the military and a bigger army. If anything, the military should be reduced and the money goes towards the well being of people they are suppose to protect...like the beggars on the street in Manhattan and the old lady that cannot afford healthcare.

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