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KRamsauer
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So what does everyone think of the CA "election" and the various "stars" who are running?

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08-07-2003 07:04 PM

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My money is on Gary "who you talkin' about Willis" Coleman!

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08-08-2003 06:14 PM

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I think Ahnald can take it on star power alone. Besides, I can imagine what would happen in a heated debate with Gary Coleman. Endless Terminator, Predator, and Commando quotes come to mind, hehe.

08-11-2003 01:53 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by letsgoflyers81
I think Ahnald can take it on star power alone. Besides, I can imagine what would happen in a heated debate with Gary Coleman. Endless Terminator, Predator, and Commando quotes come to mind, hehe.

No heated debate amongst those two. Coleman has already stated that he's going to vote for Arnold.

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08-12-2003 12:35 PM

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I'm tripped out by Mary Carey, the porn"star". Her platform includes a "guns for porn" program much like the old "guns for money" programs a lot of cities adopted. She wants people to trade in their handguns for X-rated videos. Sounds like an ingeniously shrewd marketing ploy to me.

Dan.

08-12-2003 08:53 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by vagabond
I'm tripped out by Mary Carey, the porn"star". Her platform includes a "guns for porn" program much like the old "guns for money" programs a lot of cities adopted. She wants people to trade in their handguns for X-rated videos. Sounds like an ingeniously shrewd marketing ploy to me.

Dan.

Thats a strange way of saying: make love not war

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08-13-2003 05:49 AM

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Re: Re: marketing

quote:
Originally posted by ToolkiT

Thats a strange way of saying: make love not war

Well, there are tons of war movies, but not nearly as many as porno movies. There are war books, but not as many as porno mags. I guess the one place where there's more war than sex is on the news. Imagine if Dan Rather reported on "Operation Enduring Orgasm" every night. He could even be on location and do interviews.

The world would be a different place.

Gives a new meaning to "imbedded reporting" huh?

Dan.

08-14-2003 08:59 PM

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Re: Re: marketing

quote:
Originally posted by ToolkiT

Thats a strange way of saying: make love not war

Porn = Love?

Try to explain that to your wife.

quote:
Originally posted by vagabond

Well, there are tons of war movies, but not nearly as many as porno movies. There are war books, but not as many as porno mags.

Sadly enough I think you've got it entirely backwards. When was the last time you saw/heard about a "War" shop that specialized in war movies, magazines, DVDs, "toys", etc.

War is more "mainstream", but it definitely isn't better represented in print or film (make that video).

When was the last time anyone got spammed by a "war" provider?

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08-15-2003 01:50 PM

KRamsauer
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Re: Re: Re: marketing

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When was the last time anyone got spammed by a "war" provider?

Unfortunately the unsolicited "mail" is lead and comes hurling at you at hundreds of miles an hour.

I hope you're not making a lesser-of-two-evils argument.

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08-15-2003 03:55 PM

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Re: Re: Re: marketing

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Originally posted by BobbyMike

Porn = Love?

Try to explain that to your wife.

Sadly enough I think you've got it entirely backwards. When was the last time you saw/heard about a "War" shop that specialized in war movies, magazines, DVDs, "toys", etc.

War is more "mainstream", but it definitely isn't better represented in print or film (make that video).

When was the last time anyone got spammed by a "war" provider?

(a) I don't think he got it wrong. War is definitely better represented in the media. For instance, there are much more war related threads on Treocentral than porn related ones, to start off with. Also, the "war industry" is definitely by far bigger than the porn industry. I'm not saying porn should be better represented or promoted, though.

(b) even if it was opposite, why would that be "sad enough"? Some people seem to think it is worse for a child to see a naked person than to see a person being killed (people being killed seems to be normal on TV). I'm not saying children should see porn movies, though.

08-15-2003 04:36 PM

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Re: Re: Re: Re: marketing

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Originally posted by clulup
(a) I don't think he got it wrong. War is definitely better represented in the media. For instance, there are much more war related threads on Treocentral than porn related ones, to start off with. Also, the "war industry" is definitely by far bigger than the porn industry. I'm not saying porn should be better represented or promoted, though.

What media? News? Porn is a much larger indusrty than you acknowledge/know about. I was referring to entertainment. it is still the biggest producer of videos, magazines and websites.

quote:
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(b) even if it was opposite, why would that be "sad enough"? Some people seem to think it is worse for a child to see a naked person than to see a person being killed (people being killed seems to be normal on TV). I'm not saying children should see porn movies, though.

War is inevitable. It is the natural response of humans to the threat of annilhilation by another group of humans.

Porn is not just seeing someone naked. It's the representation of sex as a commodity and it is extremely damaging to children.
Aggression is a normal facet of childrens psyche. Sexuality is not. You may think otherwise, but all of the evidence points otherwise.

I would much rather my child see "A Bridge Too Far" or "Blackhawk Down" than "Deep Throat" or "The Story of O".

Porn is not love, it's the opposite.

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08-15-2003 05:45 PM

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Are we just talking movies? Porn movies make MUCH more money than war movies. They usually rent for more and they are cheap as sin [tic] to make (vs. quality filming of expensive pyrotechnics, etc.). I'd also be willing to bet there are more pornos than war videos.

As a quick and unscientific survey, there seem to be more non-fiction books listing war in the subject than sex (www.sdln.net searching the catalogs of a few of the major town in SD). That may be due to a cost anonymity ratio when compared to the internet (net is fairly cheap and seems fairly private vs. cost of publication and having a library or book store see you check out/purchase your risque novel/mag/etc.). That may also be a purely SD thing. I'd be willing to be that sex sells more fiction books, however (harlequin doesn't sell many war books, to my knowledge).

As for my kid, I'd rather he 'stumble upon' the playboy website than watch the Daniel Pearl video on the net. Also, I'd rather he watch 'Forrest Gump' than 'Sally Takes it Where the Sun Don't Shine by the Carl, the Cable Repair Guy'. It's a question of severity.

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08-16-2003 01:42 AM

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Re: Re: Re: marketing

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Originally posted by BobbyMike

Porn = Love?

Try to explain that to your wife.

hence the 'strange' in my statement...

When I read porn for guns I read a twisted version of 'make love not war'...
since 'making love' is a synonym for having sex it is not that far off.. But we all agree there is a big difference between porn and love...

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08-16-2003 01:43 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by dick-richardson

As for my kid, I'd rather he 'stumble upon' the playboy website than watch the Daniel Pearl video on the net. Also, I'd rather he watch 'Forrest Gump' than 'Sally Takes it Where the Sun Don't Shine by the Carl, the Cable Repair Guy'. It's a question of severity.

Very well put! sometimes I get the feeling that in the US violence is OK but a naked (female) breast is a big no no...
While science recently proved that looking at breast lowers stress levels in men and improves the life expectancy...

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08-16-2003 02:15 AM

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Re: Re: Re: Re: marketing

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...But we all agree there is a big difference between porn and love...

WHAT?!?!

Next you're going to tell me those women aren't thinking of me when they pose like that...

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08-16-2003 02:19 AM

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: marketing

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Originally posted by dick-richardson

WHAT?!?!

Next you're going to tell me those women aren't thinking of me when they pose like that...

ROFL

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08-16-2003 02:21 AM

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Re: Re: Re: Re: marketing

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[...] since 'making love' is a synonym for having sex it is not that far off.. [...]

'Making love' is not a synonym for 'having sex'. Even 50 Cent gets that subtlety.

08-16-2003 03:15 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by ToolkiT
Very well put! sometimes I get the feeling that in the US violence is OK but a naked (female) breast is a big no no... [...]

A naked female breast is not porno. A naked female breast could be in a PG movie (Possibly even G, don't remember what Fantasia was rated, but those naked pixies were animated).

08-16-2003 03:18 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by dick-richardson
.... It's a question of severity.

I agree.

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08-16-2003 01:02 PM

BobbyMike
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Re: Re: Re: Re: marketing

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Originally posted by ToolkiT

hence the 'strange' in my statement...

When I read porn for guns I read a twisted version of 'make love not war'...
since 'making love' is a synonym for having sex it is not that far off.. But we all agree there is a big difference between porn and love...

I understood what you were saying, I just wanted to differentiate between sex between a loving couple (making love) and porn. I think that too many people confuse freedom with license and go to far in permitting porn into their everyday life.

I don't want my children to grow up thinking casual sex is ok. AIDS, etc. would never have been a problem if people had been a little less casual with who they slept with.

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