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BobbyMike
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Originally posted by BobbyMike

I really can't see even talking to you anymore about this because you seem to absolutely refuse to accept all of human recorded history as evidence of your complete and utter wrong thinking.

Calling war inevitable doesn't necessarily mean that it's "the easy way out". Quite the contrary, if you know where things can lead to you won't have false hopes and be disappointed when things go along their natural course.

Your argument seems to run along the lines of "I don't believe in gravities effect on the mass of objects on Earth". That's fine and dandy, just don't complain when you fall down.

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08-19-2003 10:58 PM

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Originally posted by clulup
Some things do not have a negative, like light, space, etc.

so, what, 3000 years of art is wrong then?

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08-19-2003 11:52 PM

dick-richardson
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I can state conclusively that war among humans is NOT inevitable once we finish the last one.

On a side note, that's probably the one that kills us all.

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08-20-2003 02:12 AM

clulup
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Originally posted by BobbyMike

I really can't see even talking to you anymore about this because you seem to absolutely refuse to accept all of human recorded history as evidence of your complete and utter wrong thinking.

Calling war inevitable doesn't necessarily mean that it's "the easy way out". Quite the contrary, if you know where things can lead to you won't have false hopes and be disappointed when things go along their natural course.

Your argument seems to run along the lines of "I don't believe in gravities effect on mass on objects on Earth". That's fine and dandy, just don't complain when you fall down.

All I am saying is that while it may be difficult and often impossible to avoid war on this planet, it is not true that war is inevitable. War can be avoided, there are very good examples of this, and also examples in which this did not work.

You seem to think I am trying to say war is something of the past and does not take place anymore, or will vanish from Earth soon, which is *not* what I am saying.

Take the US of A: not so long ago, there was a war between the states. Don't tell me you have not found a way to avoid that in the future. Therefore it has been convincigly shown that wars between US states are *not* inevitable.

I case with "inevitable" you mean "there will always be a war somewhere on this planet for the foreseeable future", I can agree with you, but that is not the same as "war is inevitable".

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08-20-2003 08:45 AM

BobbyMike
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I case with "inevitable" you mean "there will always be a war somewhere on this planet for the foreseeable future", I can agree with you, but that is not the same as "war is inevitable".

Um, yes it does.

You're arguing semantics.

I guess we can move on now.

Does Gary Coleman have a day job?

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08-20-2003 11:43 AM

clulup
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quote:
Originally posted by vagabond
I was simply giving a nod to a popular series that many believe is used as an example of a "good future" utopianish society. Maybe I should have included a smilie afterwards. I'll try to be more careful in the future.

Thanks for your comments.

Dan.

BTW, question for the group and the mods, "Is it *really* possible for a thread in the Off Topic forum to be off topic?"

Indeed the conclusions you deduced from Star Trek did not sound ironic to me. In Germany, there used to be a very popular "realistic" soap opera called "Lindenstrasse" because of the street it played in. Many people seemed to have lost the ability to differentiate between that soap opera and real life. For instance, when an appartment was for rent in TV, people would wright real and serious applications for that appartment. Or when one of the characters in the story was missing for some reason, the actor was stopped on the street and people told her to go back and tell the people in Lindenstrasse she was alive and ok...

And, miraculously, this brings us back the the topic of this thread: Arnold, the Governator. How many people will vote for him only because of the roles he played in his movies?

08-20-2003 02:08 PM

ToolkiT
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quote:
Originally posted by dick-richardson
I can state conclusively that war among humans is NOT inevitable once we finish the last one.

On a side note, that's probably the one that kills us all.

Thats what they said about WWI too...
'The great war' to finish all wars...
Allmost got most of europe killed in it too..

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08-21-2003 04:20 AM

dick-richardson
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quote:
Originally posted by ToolkiT
Thats what they said about WWI too...
'The great war' to finish all wars...
Allmost got most of europe killed in it too..

Not sure, but I think you may have missed my point.

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08-21-2003 03:34 PM

BobbyMike
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quote:
Originally posted by dick-richardson
I can state conclusively that war among humans is NOT inevitable once we finish the last one.

On a side note, that's probably the one that kills us all.

Ouch, good point.

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08-22-2003 01:07 AM

BobbyMike
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And, miraculously, this brings us back the the topic of this thread: Arnold, the Governator. How many people will vote for him only because of the roles he played in his movies?

I'm not sure. You can't ignore the value of star power, esp. in a race where most of the "serious" candidates look and act like animatronic contraptions.

Many Conservatives and/or Repulicans want to vote for a fiscally conservative candidate, which he has made positive noises about.

I'd like to believe that the voters will actually take the time to vet the candidates based on their positions as opposed to their "cult of personality", but it is California.

Does Unleaded really cost $2.25 a gallon there? We think it's high at $1.69!

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08-22-2003 01:13 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by dick-richardson

Not sure, but I think you may have missed my point.

Nah, got your point...
Just reminded me about what they said about WWI..

Besides that last war will not be between humans, but between humans and machines, havent you been paying attention in the movies?

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08-22-2003 02:00 AM

dick-richardson
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quote:
Originally posted by ToolkiT
Nah, got your point...
Just reminded me about what they said about WWI..

Ahh. Then don't bastardize my poignancy. :P

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Besides that last war will not be between humans, but between humans and machines, havent you been paying attention in the movies?

If any humans remain, I'd put money on another war not too long afterward.

The only way I can envision an end to war would be the reduction of our species to 1. And even then I'm not so sure... I've seen too many people at war with themselves (why does that seem to me to be a nice lead-in into medical marijuana?).

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08-22-2003 05:58 AM

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Originally posted by dick-richardson

If any humans remain, I'd put money on another war not too long afterward.

Mmmm now I start to wonder if you get your own point

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08-22-2003 06:08 AM

BobbyMike
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quote:
Originally posted by Yorick

so, what, 3000 years of art is wrong then?

Ha! I missed this one before, very funny.

Art has it's own language.

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08-22-2003 11:46 AM

BobbyMike
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Originally posted by dick-richardson

The only way I can envision an end to war would be the reduction of our species to 1. And even then I'm not so sure... I've seen too many people at war with themselves (why does that seem to me to be a nice lead-in into medical marijuana?).

You know, maybe if all the dilettantes would stop smoking the skunk for fun (and profit) the medical angle might gain some ground. Right now it runs together in a lot of peoples minds with heroin and acid.

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08-22-2003 11:52 AM

tjd414
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Arnold vs. Gary Coleman

Being from FL, thank you for making sure the election spotlight is pointed somewhere else!

As to the START of this thread -- I'm rooting for Gary Coleman. Heck, if he wins he can move the state capitol to where it belongs -- Disneyland! Oh wait, Fantasyland ... then he could have the governor's chair made out of 'Corinthian Leather' and a little short guy running around mumbling something about a plane ... Sorry wrong Fantasy location ... OMG, now we're back to that porn thing again ...

08-26-2003 03:32 AM

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