BobbyMike
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Originally posted by ToolkiT
Thats an interesting yet biased and christian-centric view.
Some parts like'the fact that Nazism was not anti-Semitic ' and 'If the Christian reader dismisses what happened in Germany as something which affected a few million Jews only'
are borderline on denying the holocaust and anti-semitism...
I find that worrying...
'Because none but German Aryans were qualified to live in the Nazi view' is plain incorrect. Fasism (which is what Nazism is based on) was founded in italy and there are few Aryans in Italy...
Also the Italians and japanese were allies of the Nazi's you can call neither of them aryan...
'The Christians were killed because of their religion/who they were. ' is a bit of a strech too.. they were not killed because they were christian, if that was the case Hitler would have to kill 90% of germany.. they were killed of opposing nazism... BIG difference, even though they probably did it because nazism clashed with their (christian) believes.
I still havent had time to look into the details about the numbers yet, but why are all the historical pictures of the concentration camps/transports showing the mayority of the people with the david star?
Why don't the mayority of the historians point out this christian holocaust?
Dimont is Jewish first off (a very proud Jewish scholar). To say what he said was denying the holocaust is incorrect. His saying that the Nazis weren't anti-semetic was meant to convey that wasn't where they (the Nazis) were coming from, they were anti-human, meaning it didn't stop there. He merely said to not forget that Christians were killed also. (and also for Christians not to deny that Jews were murdered). He was reminding all people not to forget what had happened. It's been pretty well documented (in Dimont's book also) that the Nazis hated the Jews. I personally believe they targeted the Jews first because they saw them as a group they could persecute rather effortlessly. they used the techniques they perfected on the Jewish people (denigrate, marginilize, islolate, separate, concentrate, kill) on the Gypsies, Slavic Christians, Jehovahs, etc.
Second the Aryan racial purity stuff is correct. Do you think that the Nazis were going to share power with the Italians, Japanese? These guys were nuts. They used the other members of the Axis as cannon fodder basically. Remember, they were "friends" with the Russians too, until they betrayed them. You're incorrect to assume that they planned on living happily with anyone who wasn't of "their kind". Also remember that Facism is merely a form of government, not a Racial Indentity.
You view on the "Christian stretch" is interesting, but strange. The Christians who opposed the Nazi regime were being Christian, not merely calling themselves Christians. Believing in racial purity while also believing in the word of Christ as absolute truth is incompatible.
The info is there, you just have to look. The Polish people are a little better than most groups at getting this info out as so many of their people were killed, Jewish and Christian. The other groups didn't coalesce into any kind of post war group to inform people like the Jewish people did, probably because there weren't any other large groups (millions at a time) of any particular ethnic/etc. group that were targeted like the Jews (except for the Gypsies- who were nominal Christians in that they usually adopted the religious practices of the area in which they lived and the Polish - or the "Christian Slav", as the Nazis called them)).
As the term "holocaust" is of Jewish origin (in regards to the persecution of Jews) I don't like to use that term in regards to the death camps. I use racial cleansing because for the Nazis, anyone that didn't meet their idea of pure was also a candidate. Please don't misread anything that I've quoted/said. None of this is meant to take away the horror that was done to the Jewish people, but to add to the horror committed against the entire human race by the Nazis.
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