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KRamsauer
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Originally posted by ToolkiT

That was the plan, but somebody discovered that a lot of those bridges look very much like a couple of bridges in france...
But does it really matter one wonders... not for me anyway...

Yeah, I can't really see it mattering that much. The coins, though, have unique features depending on the country, right? If not "depending on the country" aren't there special backsides of coins representing the member nations? The coolest thing we've done here in this country in a long time with our money is giving each state the right to design the back of a 25 cent piece. It's really a lot of fun to see all the different designs.

10-19-2002 05:42 PM

John Nowak
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Originally posted by ToolkiT
LOL!
Trust me I have plenty of other opinions too...

Name one.

10-19-2002 06:52 PM

ToolkiT
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Originally posted by John Nowak

Name one.

In my last 3 posts you can find 4 of them...

Another one: I think the australian gov should appologize to the 'stolen generation'.

You name a topic I'll give you an opion...

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10-20-2002 01:14 AM

KRamsauer
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Originally posted by ToolkiT

In my last 3 posts you can find 4 of them...

Another one: I think the australian gov should appologize to the 'stolen generation'.

You name a topic I'll give you an opion...

What's the stolen generation in Australia?

What's your opinion of the rally monkey?

10-20-2002 02:39 AM

ToolkiT
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Originally posted by KRamsauer
What's the stolen generation in Australia?

In Australia in the past a lot of aboriginal children have been taken away from their families to become 'civilized'. Lots of them never saw their family again...
Watch the movie 'a rabbit proof fence' to get the idea...

quote:
Originally posted by KRamsauer
What's your opinion of the rally monkey?

Not really an angels fan..

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10-20-2002 08:47 AM

yardie
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The Sniper is terrorizing the DC area. yet I have yet to see him/her/them referred to as terrorists. I guess that label will come if turns out that the sniper is Arabic or muslim.

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Originally posted by KRamsauer
Does anyone else suspect a link between the anthrax letters of last year and the sniper attacks of today? They both have taken place at the same time in the calendar year, and in the same manner they terrorize people while killing very few. I have no reason to specifically link the two, but they both seem to be very similar, at least on the surface.

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10-20-2002 11:58 AM

yardie
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Hey KRamsauer,

Can't spar with Toby eh? I am a bit disappointed that you got out of the ring so soon.

quote:
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Wow, you're being difficult. I post something to ask if anyone else had heard anything about it and I end up with this response. I give up.

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10-20-2002 12:08 PM

MarkEagle
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Can't spar with Toby eh?

Can anyone?

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10-20-2002 03:24 PM

KRamsauer
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Originally posted by yardie
The Sniper is terrorizing the DC area. yet I have yet to see him/her/them referred to as terrorists. I guess that label will come if turns out that the sniper is Arabic or muslim.

I think the sniper is most definitely a terrorist and we need to start declaring as much. Mind you I'm obviously not calling him an Islamic terrorist. Contrary to many people's ideas, Islamic doesn't mean terrorist just as terrorist doesn't mean Islamic. By calling this person a terrorist we can loosen the percieved Islam and terrorism, which is a definite plus. I'm not accusing you of holding such a belief, but merely referencing it (as I am).

I have no problem calling this nutball a terrorist. Terrorists not only try to kill (or injure) people, but those people have to be innocent, going about their daily lives. By hurting them then they are leveraging their violence to disrupt the way of life of everyone else. People should be scared to merely exist. The danger must be lurking where one cannot predict nor protect. This sniper has accomplished all of that. So in the truest sense of the word, this person is a terrorist. He uses terror, not merely violence.

And then I get to thinking how this is slow and methodical, killing just a few people but disrupting the lives of thousands of times more. The "connection" between this and the anthrax was more an intellectual connection. I didn't mean to imply the same people did it, but that the methods are quite similar.

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10-20-2002 04:14 PM

KRamsauer
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quote:
Originally posted by ToolkiT

In Australia in the past a lot of aboriginal children have been taken away from their families to become 'civilized'. Lots of them never saw their family again...
Watch the movie 'a rabbit proof fence' to get the idea...

Not really an angels fan..

Wow, that sure sounds like something for which an apology should be issued. I'm surprised you knew of the rally monkey in Australia. You are yet another victim of the American cultural juggernaut.

10-20-2002 04:15 PM

jhappel
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From ToolkiT: . . . (or in dutch: gulden) . . .

Why - don't you think the Euro can cut the mustard?

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10-20-2002 06:31 PM

ToolkiT
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quote:
Originally posted by KRamsauer
I'm surprised you knew of the rally monkey in Australia. You are yet another victim of the American cultural juggernaut.

To be totally honest I bluffed myself through that one with a little help of mr Google

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10-21-2002 01:14 AM

KRamsauer
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Originally posted by ToolkiT

To be totally honest I bluffed myself through that one with a little help of mr Google

I kinda figured as much.

I surely don't know of the Swans without Google.

10-21-2002 01:48 AM

Toby
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quote:
Originally posted by KRamsauer
Wow, you're being difficult.

No, I'm being logical. Contrary to your apparent belief, logic does not exist in a vacuum. One does not simply input any wild fantasy into a logic generator and come out with a solid answer. One must first evaluate the premises upon which the logic is based. If there is no valid reason to believe the premises are true, then one's logical conclusions are so much mental masturbation, full of sound and fury, and in the end, signifying nothing.

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I post something to ask if anyone else had heard anything about it and I end up with this response. I give up.

You posted a question. You then stated that you thought that if your premise had not been discredited, you'd have thought that it would have been big news. If it had not been discredited, it probably _would_ have been big news (I had never even heard the original theory, hence my question). It was not big news, though, so it stands to reason that it was discredited, and the news report which you found showed that it was discredited at the same time the report was written. It's strange that you're taking offense to this considering that you're a being of logic, reason, and science.

10-22-2002 03:58 PM

Toby
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quote:
Originally posted by KRamsauer
Wow. I post a question about what people have heard and I'm accused of knowing the answer to my own question?

No, I didn't accuse you of knowing the answer to your question. I said you answered your own question. IOW, all the information which you needed to answer the question was already in your possession. Then I helped you formulate the answer, and this is the thanks I get.

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That's simply not the case. Please read my original post and tell me if you think any of the following statements are justified:
Just because somehting can be discreditted doesn't mean I believe it. For instance if you were to claim the earth is flat. I can logically ask "has that been discreditted?"

No, you can't. Your question should be: "what evidence do you have to support that claim?" That's how real science works.

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That was my question in the first place! I haven't seen anything, and I said as much.
I was looking for other people's input not someone telling me how stupid I am for even asking it.

I never said you were stupid. There was insufficient evidence to make such a claim. The balance is shifting, though.

10-22-2002 04:03 PM

Toby
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quote:
Originally posted by KRamsauer
I'm going to repost using what I think is unambiguous language to satisfy those who insist on questioning every little thing I write.

The style here is not the issue, as much as you might like to think it is. The substance is.

10-22-2002 04:05 PM

Toby
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quote:
Originally posted by KRamsauer
Clearly I am looking for additional information beyond the scope of that article. I'm simply looking for more information.

Why? What about the information in that article did not answer your question adequately?

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Nothing more. Nothing less. :-) Additionally, my posted link was made after my posted question and when I posted my question I was not aware of that article. I was relying on my brain and auditory reports from around that time.

Perhaps you need to build up a healthier level of skepticism? I hear reports of all sorts of things everyday. I hear there's a ring of kidney thieves operating in New Orleans. I hear that some lady in the checkout line helped an Arab man short of change and in return he told her not to drink any coke products after 10/30. I hear that some kid in Houston died of a heroin overdose after getting pricked by a needle in a McDonald's ball pit. That's how they all start. "Did you hear about this?" "No, let me ask around." Eventually, everybody's heard about it, but no one has any real information.

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Going back to your application of logic, it was incorrect to assume I knew the latter (the linked article) when making the former(question about anyone reading something such as the link).

No, it is logical to ask someone for evidence of a claim when they inquire about its validity. That was the evidence you provided. If your real source was hearsay, then you could have just said that instead of producing an article which you were previously ignorant.

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So to address your comment that I'm incapable of admitting wrong (first of all, that's entirely true as I make mistakes all the time! look at how many posts I've made have been editted ). I submitted a reply to my own question, though didn't answer it, that's true. But my question was a shotgun. It was looking for any and all reports people might have seen/heard. In such a context the link I posted (not known by me when I asked the question) is part of the answer yes, but it doesn't shut the door to other contributions and it certainly doesn't open me up to criticisms that my posts are pointless. I'm sure you understand.

No, I'm sure you don't understand. The link you provided fairly effectively makes the query a moot issue.

10-22-2002 04:16 PM

Toby
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quote:
Originally posted by KRamsauer
Since when is being logical and difficult impossible?

The two are not mutually exclusive, but I was being the former and not the latter.

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If someone is trying to be the former and ends up being the latter, it isn't hard to say as much. "I'm sorry, I meant nothing by it." That's all I'm really expecting.

You will be disappointed then. I'm not sorry for being logical, and I did mean something by it. I think I've explained exactly what I meant by it, though.

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I trust he wasn't doing it on purpose. Likewise I wasn't trying to say I didn't answer my own question, because in part I did. I am just looking for what everyone else has heard. [...]

Why exactly would you put stock in hearsay? You answered your question more effectively in whatever search you performed after my question than 3000 posts about 'what everyone else had heard' probably could.

10-22-2002 04:23 PM

Toby
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quote:
Originally posted by ToolkiT
[...] You name a topic I'll give you an opion...

If Warren Perrin is ever successful in securing an apology from the English Crown for Le Grand D�rangement, do you think he should pursue reparations, and if so, do you think they should be granted, and if so, who should foot the bill?

10-22-2002 04:26 PM

Toby
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quote:
Originally posted by yardie
The Sniper is terrorizing the DC area. yet I have yet to see him/her/them referred to as terrorists.

You must be watching a channel like CNN where they don't allow anyone to use "the 'T' word". MSNBC has had quite a few people referring to this as terrorism (even on the Donahue show).

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I guess that label will come if turns out that the sniper is Arabic or muslim.

The observed trend so far is that nearly all terrorists who have attacked US citizens have been Arab or muslims (the only exception seeming to be Timothy McVeigh). I thought that such 'logic' was perfectly alright with you.

10-22-2002 04:31 PM

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