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Posted by BobbyMike on 06-07-2001 06:05 AM:

Open question to all mods.

Why are threads being closed because one or two people are posting idiotic posts? I've noticed a pattern of this and want to know why conversations can flow nicely for a while, and then be shut down because of stupid responses from several repeat offenders?

A mod just shut down a post (as an example) right when I was posting a response to a question- I guess I don't blame him because several posts got way off subject, into the realm of stupidly ludicrous, but why shut down the whole thread if there is any other solution?

It doesn't seem to be working as a deterrent. Look at how many closed threads have happened around here recently. I can't remember a time (even during the BW vs. the world) where so many threads have gotten shut down. I'm sure the perps will just slide to another thread, or open a new one, and proceed anew.

Is this just the price of forums like this?
(This is a real question. Not an attempt to open a discourse on free speech. If you want to talk about that, please do me the common courtesy of opening your own thread.)

Michael Walters

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Posted by recordond on 06-07-2001 06:20 AM:

Michal, I agree and was going to write something along these lines but you beat me to it. Thank you for having the courage to ask this and I await the mod's answer.

--David

Posted by ToolkiT on 06-07-2001 07:08 AM:

I agree we do have a problem.
Unfortunately the good people suffer from some people that tread this forum as a playground.
I closed a couple of threads as a signal that this kind of behavior is not tolerated.
Also I have warned a couple of people who were out of line.

Hopefully they will pick up their last chance before we have to use stronger action.

I hate to limit freedom of speech, but I'm afraid some people do not appreciate this privilege enough....

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Posted by BobbyMike on 06-07-2001 02:01 PM:

Thanks for the prompt reply. Any other mods out there with thoughts on the subject? I don't want VC to become a humourless (look! I'm European!-or maybe Canadian!) (that relates to the 'flower post' and is about spelling) place where people can't joke, but I love stretching conversations out over days. I hate coming back to a post and finding it locked down because of the same people. I also don't really want to see them 'booted' as I don't feel they're irredeemable.
Thorny issues. You mods have it tough. You get no respect, nobody listens to you unless you give away free stuff, and you have to wear those funny hats.
Thanks
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Posted by K. Cannon on 06-07-2001 02:13 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by BobbyMike
I hate coming back to a post and finding it locked down because of the same people.

I was vaguely relieved to find the Porn Module thread closed down, as I had already blabbed on and given WAY too much information!

P.S. Bobby-Mike: I am going to propose a new VisorCentral rule that requires a vote before anyone can change their avatars...where is that precious little boy's picture?? It made me laugh b/c of his expression. (I'm just kidding, of course, about the rule!)

Posted by JHromadka on 06-07-2001 02:34 PM:

We have only had to delete/ban 1 or 2 people here, because most readers respect each other and don't resort to flame wars (well, most of the time ). I like a fun thread as much as the next guy, but personal attacks will not be tolerated. That is the quickest way to get kicked off the forums.

I just deleted an entire thread because someone was describing people as animal-looking. If that happens again, the poster's account will be deleted.

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Posted by BobbyMike on 06-07-2001 06:56 PM:

Thanks. Remember the quality of a peoples open discourse is the defining rule of a civilization, not the quality of their weapons.

K.Cannon wrote:
"P.S. Bobby-Mike: I am going to propose a new VisorCentral rule that requires a vote before anyone can change their avatars...where is that precious little boy's picture?? It made me laugh b/c of his expression. (I'm just kidding, of course, about the rule!)"

Although I am not open to intimidation, gifts of chocolate will suffice. (actually I'm looking for a good photo of all three of my boys, one which 'gets' all three of them as well as that one got Martin)

"It made me laugh b/c of his expression. "
He's like that 24/7!!!

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Posted by Gameboy70 on 06-08-2001 12:28 AM:

VC karma

Not that Slashdot is model for civil discourse (understatement of the year), but adding a Slashdot-esque karma system where individual posts could be rated by other members could give people incentive to be constructive, and trolls could be so identified. And maybe VC could reward the member with the most karma at the end of the month with goodies like the MemPlug, or a gift of chocolate

Never hurts to ask . . .

Posted by Gameboy70 on 06-08-2001 12:39 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by BobbyMike
I hate coming back to a post and finding it locked down because of the same people.

Instead of locking down an entire thread, I wonder if vBulletin supports the ability to lock out the offender(s) trolling on threads that are otherwise innocouous. That would be less extreme than deleting their accounts (while keeping the option available, if necessary) or closing the whole thread. I hate to see threads like "What kind of Visor do you own?" closed over political skirmishes.

Posted by bblue on 06-08-2001 02:23 AM:

Well

Some of the threads I have been responsible for alerting the mods.

As a former moderator myself, (yes, can you imagine that? and I wasn't asked to leave, either!!!) ,I always deleted stupid posts INSTEAD of locking down threads. I'm not sure why that's such a problem here. Does anyone remember Mr. Staff? Is an image of a stick of wood too much? Does comparing Donna Dubinsky to the Aimster Pig Encoder logo REALLY justify a consequence WORSE than insulting another V.C. member on a far greater degree? I actually think the problem has to do more with the fact my handle name is "bblue" than anything else. I can bet if I didn't post this here now, I could sign up on another handle, post a topic with similar absurdity, and NOT have it locked down. The only reason I say that is because I've seen a major inconsistency with what passes for a "lockdown."

Was the "Porn Module Idea" thread REALLY worth locking down more impuslively than the "What Visor do you Have?" thread? A topic shift vs. an all out flame war? With the exception of the "impressions" thread (which was a bit biting, even for me!) , I have NEVER insulted any V.C. member to any extent that would cause verbal harm. Yet my account "supposedly" is on the verge of destruction! (I say "supposedly" because it's not only absurd, it's been empty in the past!) Yeah, my "style" can set people off, but uh... I think flaming should get a little higher notch on our Mod's priority list.

I have considered posting continuations of threads that got locked down that REALLY should not have been. As long as it is an intelligent conversation (porn module idea!) , and not out of control, WHO CARES?

Can't they split threads here? (I.e. taking irrelevant /yet/ intelligent posts and moving them into their own thread! No pun intended!) You would think that a site as developed as this would have that...

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Posted by Yorick on 06-08-2001 02:48 AM:

Re: Well

quote:
Originally posted by bblue
As a former moderator myself

But not here, correct? (just asking)

quote:

I'm not sure why that's such a problem here. Does anyone remember Mr. Staff? Is an image of a stick of wood too much?

The way you identified it seemed insulting. If I were a member of the hard-working VC staff I'd feel insulted to have my intelligence compared to that of a piece of wood.

quote:

Does comparing Donna Dubinsky to the Aimster Pig Encoder logo REALLY justify a consequence WORSE than insulting another V.C. member on a far greater degree?

How about if someone starts comparing your mother to the Aimster Pig logo? There are limits to good and bad taste.

quote:

I actually think the problem has to do more with the fact my handle name is "bblue" than anything else. I can bet if I didn't post this here now, I could sign up on another handle, post a topic with similar absurdity, and NOT have it locked down. The only reason I say that is because I've seen a major inconsistency with what passes for a "lockdown."

Was the "Porn Module Idea" thread REALLY worth locking down more impuslively than the "What Visor do you Have?" thread? A topic shift vs. an all out flame war?

a one-off poor-taste joke about Ms. Dubinsky is one thing. After reading your and bkbk's posts to the Porn Module thread following my leaving for the night, I would have liked to reprimand both of you somehow as well. I don't agree with the lockdown but I see it as justifiable.

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I have NEVER insulted any V.C. member to any extent that would cause verbal harm.

I direct you to the thread you started where you presented your impressions of other users.

quote:

I have considered posting continuations of threads that got locked down that REALLY should not have been. As long as it is an intelligent conversation (porn module idea!) , and not out of control, WHO CARES?

well, I think that should be discussed privately with or by the moderator(s) to identify the reasons for (and feelings behind) the lockdown.
(I don't know the rules here but I expect becoming a moderator isn't just some reward for making a lot of posts. One would be expected to have some editorial ability and be capable of viewing threads objectively.)

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Can't they split threads here? (I.e. taking irrelevant /yet/ intelligent posts and moving them into their own thread! No pun intended!)

I'd like that. I've been responsible for unintentional redirection of a thread myself.

Message boards are a community; each board develops its own community. In general this one is very intelligent and has helpful members, which led me to join after lurking for a while. Most boards I visit I only stay around long enough to get the info I need and then I disappear. VC has, so far, been fun and edifying.

I have nothing against you personally, bblue, but I find your behavior inconsistant and erratic, which makes me wonder a bit. You seem to be very intelligent (barring spelling/typographical errors) yet you also don't always seem to think before you write.

corrected a typo and added a few parentheticals

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Posted by MarkEagle on 06-08-2001 03:04 AM:

Does anyone think we close and delete threads for the fun of it? I'm sorry, but there is a certain standard, albeit unwritten, that we have all come to enjoy here. When the line gets crossed, we take action. I have seen many other free-for-all forums that allow just about anything. Commentary is down right rude and the real reason for the discussion is lost in all the flames. VisorCentral has always had more of a homey feeling and I (as a memeber and not a moderator) would like to keep it that way.

Yes, many times it is extremely difficult to tell the difference between veiled attemps at humor and all-out flaming.

Yes, there are members who seem to thrive by needling others.

Yes, there are many good threads that go bad (and some even rebound).

The question is where to draw the line. Outright personal attacks cannot and will not be tolerated. However, determining when one has occured is not an exact science... most times it's a judgement call. I think the entire moderating staff has done exceptionally well.

What bothers me the most lately is that we have a topic either turn to flames or drift so far off course that nobody knows what's going on. The thread gets closed or deleted and then another is started with more of the same. That one goes on for a while, gets closed, etc, etc, etc.

I can't speak for the others but I'll let you all in on a few of my feelings here. First, if anyone ever has a problem with me as a moderator, by all means contact marcus and complain. I'm sure if he gets enough he'll ask me to give up the job.

Second, I would rather come in here and read threads about the Visor and all that entails without the fluff. Yes, we have an Off Topic forum, but that doesn't mean it's anything goes. Keep in mind that there are numerous members under the age of 18 here. I'd like to think the adults here can set an example. There's a few posts I wouldn't want my kids to read...

Lastly, I really get upset with some of the comments directed at the moderating staff lately. We're human and we make mistakes. We also could probably be a little more fair in the application of our duties (as has been indicated to me in emails and private messages). The bottom line is we do a good job... no, to be fair to the others, we do a great job. Maybe not everyone agrees with that, but I feel the majority of you do.

Marcus, and everyone else at Peracto, have given us all a first class site. The staff, starting with James, has always been top shelf. And the membership as a whole is the best. As I said earlier, it's a nice homey place to hang out. My job (volunteer, mind you) requires me to keep it this way, and I take that responsibility very serious.

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Posted by bblue on 06-08-2001 03:33 AM:

Mirgle!!!

quote:
Originally posted by Yorick

But not here, correct?

No, but I would assume the experience can be carried on.

The way you identified it seemed insulting. If I were a member of the hard-working VC staff I'd feel insulted to have my intelligence compared to that of a piece of wood.

It never compared its intelligence to other VC staff members. Only to other "staffs!" (I got so many people on that joke!)

How about if someone starts comparing your mother to the Aimster Pig logo? There are limits to good and bad taste.

THAT IS MY MOTHER ON THE AIMSTER PIG LOGO! Why, is Donna your mother? (just kidding!)

a one-off poor-taste joke about Ms. Dubinsky is one thing. After reading your and bkbk's posts to the Porn Module thread following my leaving for the night, I would have liked to reprimand both of you somehow as well. I don't agree with the lockdown but I see it as justifiable.

bkbk is a good man by all means.

I direct you to the thread you started where you presented your impressions of other users.

That is where I learned that humor has no relevance to Visors.

well, I think that should be discussed privately with or by the moderator(s) to identify the reasons for the lockdown.

It has been. They choose not to respond. This is the only way to get it known.

I'd like that. I've been responsible for unintentional redirection of a thread myself.

You've also been very helpful in the past, too.
Message boards are a community; each board develops its own community. In general this one is very intelligent and has helpful members, which led me to join after lurking for a while. Most boards I visit I only stay around long enough to get the info I need and then I disappear. VC has, so far, ben fun and edifying.

I have nothing against you personally, bblue, but I find your behavior inconsistant and erratic, which makes me wonder a bit. You seem to be very intelligent (barring spelling/typographical errors) yet you also don't always seem to think before you write.

That's nothing new. The spelling errors come from typing too quickly because of a Time Crunch, and OmniWeb's lack of character recognition speed. I also think as I write. My posts do NOT mask the mood I am in when I post. Before you go on saying that I need to stop doing that, I will inform you that I DO re-read all of my posts BEFORE I hit the "submit" button to edit/take out anything I said that I did not want to say. But I always make sure that NOBODY is directly offended. If they are (the Impressions post) , I remove the offensive blurb without haste. I really do NOT need the mods locking it up and preserving it forever.

I have a sense of humor. It's nothing new to V.C. , even to my extremes. I think the only difference, is mine is far more present. This somewhat leads to the fact that a post with my name next to it is about 400% more likely to get locked down (or cause a lock down) than another one. Lets be honest. If I was to post that "Bjork is a freak!" (sorry foo-fighter, it came to my mind first) post, it would have been locked down immediately. Of course, I don't know who Bjork is, but the point still stands.

I'm not saying that EVERY ONE of my posts is wholesome good reading made from fresh grains grown daily and smothered in warm butter with some toast and an orange juice ... mmmmmmm.... orange juice.

Wait... where was I?

Oh yes, but for gawd's sake, there are posts out there FAR more damaging than mine. FAR more immature, and FAR less appropriate. Get your priorities straight and gimme my orange juice!
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Ok... I dun have much time.

I don't think you guys delete posts for the fun of it. I think you are missing the priorities. Flames first. I'm not seeing that. I'm seeing a mix-match of posts being deleted.

I guess the only reason I'm complaining is that I'm the only person who has a group of people who follow into my posts to verbally insult me!

I think any statement about substance abuse about another member deserves to be deleted, don't you? There needs to be a pattern recognition here. Usually, it's the same few people.

And MarkEagle, I really have had no problem with you as a moderator. Keep up the good work!

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Posted by miradu on 06-08-2001 04:06 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by MarkEagle
VisorCentral has always had more of a homey feeling and I (as a member and not a moderator) would like to keep it that way.

I'm going to try not to just make a ugly thing quoting your post, but I would like to make sure that this is seconded. and I will repeat it. VisorCentral is a place for people to come discuss Visors. For people to discuss rumors. For people to have fun, learning, and for the better enjoyment of your $250+ "toy". Visorcentral shouldn't be the place for too much off topic %$^$. Topics like What Visor do you have, should be kept just to what Visor you have. Topics and discussions should be held so that they are appropriate for any 13 year old. People shouldn't be posting here just to get posts. People shouldn't be posting here to make fun of people. People should be posting for non Visor posts(mainly)

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First, if anyone ever has a problem with me as a moderator, by all means contact marcus and complain.

Being a moderator for this size of a forum starts to become a very hard job. With 30 some new topics a day, and at least 500 posts, there is a lot to look at. I think that Mark has done an excellent job, and that know one here should be complaining.

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Keep in mind that there are numerous members under the age of 18 here. I'd like to think the adults here can set an example.

come on.. let the kids set the example.. oh wait. .that can be good and/or bad..

DON'T LET AGE DISCRIMINATION GET YOU!

Marcus DOES do a good job, and everyone here puts a good amount of time into their work. I know for a fact myself, that when I write an article, I'll spend upwards of 4 hours writing it and editing it. All volunteer. In my most recent review that soon will be published I went through 4 rewrites to make it good, and I still don't like it. Marcus spends an enormous time writing backend code, James, Alan, Scott they all work as hard as I do on reviews. And Mark, Hoser, Toolkit, they are our moderator's. Moderating is an important part of a boards. We don't want to have so much junk that we have to impliment a scoring system ala slashdot, and I like it that we don't evan utilize the "report this post to a moderator" feature. It shows that VC trusts us, the users.

I hope that we can keep up that same trust

Spellchecked for once!

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Posted by Yorick on 06-08-2001 10:40 AM:

what? we haven't been locked down? oh, good.

quote:
Originally posted by MarkEagle
... I would rather come in here and read threads about the Visor and all that entails without the fluff. Yes, we have an Off Topic forum, but that doesn't mean it's anything goes.

This is something that I feel I myself have drifted away from, and I very much appreciate your bringing it up/pointing it out.

I think that everyone working for VC, either paid or volunteer, does a great job, and perhaps that needs to be said more often. A better board I've not been to.

and now, into the breech ...

quote:
Originally posted by bblue
It never compared its intelligence to other VC staff members. Only to other "staffs!" (I got so many people on that joke!)

As you said over there, but it was a subtle difference that I think went over everyone's head, at least at first.

quote:

Why, is Donna your mother? (just kidding!)

I just think that someone who is a major part of a company which has provided us with a useful device deserves a bit more respect, as well as being a woman and deserving of a lot more respect.
I realise I took part as well with my last post to that thread but I regret it now. It was sexist and beneath me.

quote:

That's nothing new. The spelling errors come from typing too quickly because of a Time Crunch, and OmniWeb's lack of character recognition speed.

I've no experience with OmniWeb but I'm pretty sure recognition speed has more to do with the input device than the software, unless your computer or internet connection is hanging a bit.
I was nitpicking a little. I type a lot faster than the average person, but I also type more accurately than many. I've also always worked where accuracy is of extreme importance, and have been a proofreader. I find misspellings and typos to be careless.

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I have a sense of humor. It's nothing new to V.C. , even to my extremes. I think the only difference, is mine is far more present.

I get the feeling that a number of users either don't get or don't like your humor.
I can be facetious to a fault (see top of this post ...) so I can relate.

quote:

This somewhat leads to the fact that a post with my name next to it is about 400% more likely to get locked down (or cause a lock down) than another one. Lets be honest. If I was to post that "Bjork is a freak!" (sorry foo-fighter, it came to my mind first) post, it would have been locked down immediately. Of course, I don't know who Bjork is, but the point still stands.

I sense your repentance, and I think your reputation precedes you. Perhaps a karmic cleansing is in order. (i.e. tone it down a little? only trying to help.)

quote:

I guess the only reason I'm complaining is that I'm the only person who has a group of people who follow into my posts to verbally insult me!

I've noticed this too.

Anyone may flame me on this if they like, but while considering this thread and the reasons that led to it, I feel that a number of us may need to be better netizens and not spread so much "hatendiscontent" (as my father always says).

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Posted by BobbyMike on 06-08-2001 02:43 PM:

Wow! Great response to my thread. I started this thread to get some clear ideas on what could be done, not to criticize the Mods. They have done nothing wrong in my eyes.

I think what seems to be happening here at VC is similiar to what's happening in our society right now. That is, there is a vocal group of citizens talking about personal freedom, but ignoring personal responsibility. Here it shows in how people hijack threads to post nonsense.

It's one thing to see a thread evolve into a deeper discussion, but to see it disintergrate into name-calling and what my mom used to call "potty mouth humor", is another. If I want exposure to that kind of crap, I can watch cable or listen to a shock jock on FM radio. I come here, as I thought most people do, to discuss Visors and related things- also to converse with intelligent people about non Visor related things. Having a sense of humor, to me, is the ability to see humor all around me. It doesn't involve calling other people names, mocking them, or comparing them to farm animals. If that's humor- it's the lowest form of it (least common denominator) and it sucks (just being honest), because it uses the degradation of another for fun. That's like giving someone a wedgie and then saying, "Lighten up, don't you have sense of humor?".

I'm of the opinion that anybody can overcome past stupidity and become a fully productive member of a group. It involves them wanting to fit in though, and too many people think its their job to run around being the "odd man out" and do what ever they can to "loosen up" the people around them they see as "sticks in the mud".

Unless you're sociopathic, you know when you've crossed the line. Don't try to justify it. Apologize and move on. And don't do it again. We may not know where you live, but your mom does.

Thanks again, Mods and VC Staff, for a great job!
Michael

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Posted by septimus on 06-08-2001 02:48 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by BobbyMike
(What did Mark Twain say about his dad? Something like "When I was young I thought my father was dumb, amazingly as I got older, he got smarter?"

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When I was 14, I couldn't believe how ingnorant my father was. By the time I turned 21 I was astounded at how much the old man had learned in just seven years.

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Posted by Toby on 06-08-2001 03:12 PM:

Re: Well

quote:
Originally posted by bblue
[...] Does anyone remember Mr. Staff? Is an image of a stick of wood too much? Does comparing Donna Dubinsky to the Aimster Pig Encoder logo REALLY justify a consequence WORSE than insulting another V.C. member on a far greater degree?

That depends on the situation which inspired the 'insult'. Your defense of your 'staff' 'joke' reeks of semantical backpedalling on the level of our most recent former President. Say what you mean and mean what you say is the best advice that I can offer on this point, and don't hide behind 'humor' to justify the insults that you dish out.

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I actually think the problem has to do more with the fact my handle name is "bblue" than anything else.

You're wrong. The problem has more to do with a pattern of behavior than anything else.

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I can bet if I didn't post this here now, I could sign up on another handle, post a topic with similar absurdity, and NOT have it locked down.

If you signed up with another name and behaved the exact same way, I'm positive the same pattern would result. You can remain in denial if you like, but _your_behavior_ is what has led you into this situation.

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The only reason I say that is because I've seen a major inconsistency with what passes for a "lockdown."

Only because you harbor some delusions about your 'humor' being some kind of defense for your behavior.

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[...] With the exception of the "impressions" thread (which was a bit biting, even for me!) , I have NEVER insulted any V.C. member to any extent that would cause verbal harm.

You seem to ignore the corner that you turned by instigating that thread. It was the final "Wolf!" cry which dealt a mortal blow to your credibility with an obviously significant portion of posters.

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Yet my account "supposedly" is on the verge of destruction!

Probably because you seem to show no signs of learning from your mistakes.

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(I say "supposedly" because it's not only absurd, it's been empty in the past!) Yeah, my "style" can set people off, but uh... I think flaming should get a little higher notch on our Mod's priority list.

I think you have a rather self-important view of what 'flaming' is vs. what 'humor' is. Need I remind you of your call to "turn down the stupidity" in response to some well reasoned refutations of your dubiously-based praise of the m505?

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I have considered posting continuations of threads that got locked down that REALLY should not have been.

That's not your call.

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As long as it is an intelligent conversation (porn module idea!) , and not out of control, WHO CARES?

You obviously have a sketchy definition of intelligent conversation. The last few pages of the porn module thread were basically incoherent ramblings which read like they were composed at 3AM with little sleep.

quote:
Can't they split threads here? (I.e. taking irrelevant /yet/ intelligent posts and moving them into their own thread! No pun intended!) You would think that a site as developed as this would have that...

Capability isn't necessarily the issue. Justification is. The moderator has to make a judgement call as to whether or not the thread is likely to take a productive enough direction to justify the amount of file space it takes up. Perhaps for internal reasons, Peracto only authorizes volunteer moderators to close a thread. Only the main site 'employees' may be authorized to delete it. Since it's their board, it's their prerogative.

Posted by Toby on 06-08-2001 03:31 PM:

Re: Mirgle!!!

quote:
Originally posted by bblue
I have a sense of humor.

So do other people. The problem arises when you try to hide behind a sense of humor to insult someone.

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It's nothing new to V.C. , even to my extremes. I think the only difference, is mine is far more present. This somewhat leads to the fact that a post with my name next to it is about 400% more likely to get locked down (or cause a lock down) than another one.

That's not new to V.C. either. You're at least the second person here that seems to have a need to behave in a manner which causes problems.

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Lets be honest. If I was to post that "Bjork is a freak!" (sorry foo-fighter, it came to my mind first) post, it would have been locked down immediately. Of course, I don't know who Bjork is, but the point still stands.

No, it doesn't. The difference is that foo-fighter's history and pattern of behavior show that the "Bjork is a freak" thing was fairly aberrant. For you, it would be run-of-the-mill. Therein lies the rub.

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I guess the only reason I'm complaining is that I'm the only person who has a group of people who follow into my posts to verbally insult me!

You're paranoid. I doubt anyone's following you.

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I think any statement about substance abuse about another member deserves to be deleted, don't you?

Depends on the circumstances, IMO. You seem awfully sensitive to the couple of 'crack pipe' comments compared to the 'humor' that you dish out, though.

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There needs to be a pattern recognition here. Usually, it's the same few people.

Would it be the same few people whom you felt the need to needle on by doing impressions of or otherwise mocking them? Are you really that dense to think that if someone takes you seriously enough to cogently refute your points, and you respond with mocking or ridicule that it's not going to affect your overall image here?

edited: corrected a misspelling

Posted by Toby on 06-08-2001 03:35 PM:

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Originally posted by miradu2000
[...] DON'T LET AGE DISCRIMINATION GET YOU! [...]

I think this is worthy of note. Age, IMO, doesn't have a lot to do with it (I neither know nor care how old chronologically someone is). What _does_ matter (to me anyway) is how someone behaves.

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