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Posted by kamizuno on 05-19-2000 12:05 PM:

I was reading this website and somebody said that the Visorcentral FAQ says people who have screen streaking can try using OS 3.1.1 to alleviate the problem. So I check and there is a sentence suggesting that so I go ahead and download the file. Doubleclick on OS update file, hotsynch, all seems to go well. Then for safe keeping I put the 3.1.1 file with the other patch files in the Palm OS updates folder. Later when I hotsynch for Avantgo I see that the OS 3.1.1 file is being installed again? Open Hotsynch Manager, no files to be installed, open the files to install folder, no files inside, do a Macintosh file search, only find the file inside the Palm OS updates folder. So I drag it to the trash, hotsynch 3.1.1 install stops, drag it back, file starts auto-installing again, drag it to another folder, problem goes away. So does a new OS update file in that folder auto-install? It seems to work that way on my Mac.

Also, if I want to deinstall OS 3.1.1, can I just delete the Update 3.1.1 file that I now find listed? It seems like all I have to do is delete it and soft reset, or is it more complicated than that?

Anyway, thanks for reading my question, this website is a great source of information! Keep up the good work !!!

Posted by potter on 05-19-2000 03:01 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by kamizuno:
So does a new OS update file in that folder auto-install? It seems to work that way on my Mac.

I can only speak for the PC, but yes a update in the update folder is suppose to auto install if it finds that the PalmOS device being sync'ed needs the patch. However it is only suppose to do it once, then the PalmOS device would request to be reset, and then it would be of the later version.

quote:
Also, if I want to deinstall OS 3.1.1, can I just delete the Update 3.1.1 file that I now find listed? It seems like all I have to do is delete it and soft reset, or is it more complicated than that?

The way it is suppose to work is: If one tries to delete an active OS patch, it will refuse. I don't remember the error it gives, but basically it says the file is open (which it is). To delete one has to do a firm reset (as opposed to the normal soft reset , or drastic Hard reset), that is reset while holding down the up-arrow key. This will reset the device without allowing the patch to become active. One can then delete the file, and the do a normal soft reset so things will be back to normal.

HOWEVER (this is a problem I've meant to bring up here but hadn't yet): When I install the 3.1.1 patch on my Visor it does ask to reset the device (as it should since this is caused by a simple attribute bit in the prc's header). But I can delete it without going through the Firm-Reset business. Also if I go to the Apps Menu/App/Info.../Version screen it still announces that I have v3.1 and not v3.1.1 as it should. So I assume that the patch does not work on my Visor. Maybe not yours either, since the Hotsync keeps wanting to reinstall it. I know that there are different versions of the Visor ROMs, so maybe the patch works for some but not others. What are the experiences of others out there?

Posted by Tom LaPrise on 05-19-2000 08:35 PM:

Mine shows PalmOS version 3.1, and the update shows in the app list as Update 3.1.1 version 3.1.1. I don't have any streaking problems, so I think the update works, but the OS version info might be in ROM so it does not change...

Posted by potter on 05-22-2000 02:49 PM:

I was speaking from memory about my old Palm III. But to verify:
<UL TYPE=SQUARE>
<LI>On my actual Visor I'm installing the v.3.1.1 update. After the HotSync, the Visor asks to be reset. When the reset is finished I hit the Apps button, then Menu App/Info... At the Info dialog box I press the Version button, the line at the top of the screen reads:

quote:
Palm OS� Software v.3.1

Pressing the Done button. Now pressing Menu App/Delete. At the Delete dialog box, I scroll down to the "Update 3.1.1" file. Select it, and pressing the Delete... button. Pressing the Yes button to confirm, and the file is deleted.

<LI>Now on the Palm OS Emulator (POSE), I set it up to emulate a Palm IIIx with the 3.1 non-debugging ROMs. Drag and dropping the v.3.1.1 update to POSE to install it. POSE does not ask to be reset. I assume this is because the HotSync application is what actually checks the reset bit, and POSE's drag and drop installer does not. Resetting manually. When the reset is finished I again hit the Apps button, then Menu App/Info... At the Info dialog box I press the Version button, the line at the top of the screen reads:

quote:
Palm OS� Software v.3.1.1

quote:
Unable to delete Update 3.1.1

Resetting POSE, but while holding the Page-Up key down (equivalent of holding the up-arrow on the actual device). Then checking the version. It now says, "Palm OS� Software v.3.1". Try to delete the "Update 3.1.1" file, deletes without a problem.

<LI>Repeating the same experiment on both POSE and my Visor, but this time use the 3.0.2 update (an update that should not work on either). The results are exactly the same as they were on the Visor, the version string does not change and the "Update 3.0.2" file can be delete with out error.
</UL>
Therefore it appears that the 3.1.1 update is not installing on my Visor. Can anyone confirm if it does install on some other Visor? From reading the source for the ROM Transfer program that comes with POSE I know that there are at least 3 different Visor ROMs (hmm, was it 3 or 4. Not sure. Do not have the code here, so I can not check.) I do not know how to check which of the three one has without writing some code.

[This message has been edited by potter (edited 05-22-2000).]

Posted by oohhey on 05-23-2000 03:05 AM:

I have an imac and a visor deluxe, I updated to 3.1.1 and now everytime I hot sync, I get that same message...Installing 3.1.1.. then I have to reset my visor. how do I stop this. and please speak slowly and clearly. I'm not that used to my visor yet

Posted by potter on 05-23-2000 02:04 PM:

Note: I use PCs running 98 or NT, so I can not give you specific instructions. But based on my experience on the PC and on kamizuno's message: There is a Palm OS updates folder off of the main Palm folder. Assuming the update file is in this folder, moving it out should solve your problem. Kamizuno may be able to give specifics.

Posted by kamizuno on 05-23-2000 06:19 PM:

Hi Ooohey,

Potter is right, if your 3.1.1 update file is in the folder labeled "Palm OS� Updates" in the Palm folder, you will get this constant install problem. try dragging it out of that folder and putting it in some folder outside of the Palm folder, then hotsync. If the problem goes away, then good. If you still have the problem, open up the Hotsync Manager program in the Palm folder, pull down the menu item named Hotsync, and select install from the pulldown menu. A window will open up showing the files to be installed, if the "upd311.prc" file is scheduled to be installed, then select it and click the button named "Remove from list". Then in the Palm folder is a folder named Users, open that up. Inside there should be a folder that has the same name as the one you put into your Visor, which would most likely be your name. Open that folder, then open the folder named "Files to install", and if you find the "upd311.prc" file drag it out of the Palm folder. If you've dragged all extra 3.1.1 update files out of the Palm folder, the constant install problem should go away. If it doesn't, then I'm stumped as all this is what I did to make the problem go away, actually all I had to do was drag the single "upd311.prc" file out of the "Palm OS� Updates" folder in the Palm folder. Anyway, hope this helps.

Posted by Eug on 05-23-2000 08:12 PM:

Potter,

Interesting problem.

Yes, 3.1.1 IS installed on my Visor, and I have none of the mentioned problems with it. I just installed it as I would any other .prc file, and promptly forgot about it. Backups are not an issue, as I use the backup module. Others can use Backup Buddy, and either will restore the update if necessary. I did NOT put it in my Update folder.

However, I can't tell you much about the streaking problem, because with the software I used I never really noticed it, and I had installed the update fairly early before I had tried a wide range of programs. However, others have reported that the update has helped them. What software is the best example for you for streaking?

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Eugene Hsieh
Editor, VisorCentral FAQ
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[This message has been edited by Eug (edited 05-23-2000).]

Posted by potter on 05-23-2000 10:14 PM:

Eug,
As far as the streaking problem, I'm having very little. I can only barely see the streaking, more if I push the contrast control up. What I'm questioning is whether this update even works on the Visor.
One can install the 3.0.2 update (or the 1.0.8), but it won't do anything. Simple question: If you go to the default application launcher and then press Menu/App/Info..., and then the Version button, does your Visor display at the top "Palm OS� Software v.3.1" or "... v.3.1.1"? If the first, then the update is not active, it the second then it is.

Posted by Eug on 05-24-2000 09:51 PM:

Good point. I've always wondered about that, because it says 3.1 only, and I never noticed much of a difference in image quality. If I can verify your statement I will update the FAQ...

There's always the option of StreakHack, too.

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Eugene Hsieh
Editor, VisorCentral FAQ
Come visit my homepage.

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