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Posted by champcar on 09-11-2001 05:28 AM:

Sprint PCS and phone -vs- Omnisky

quote:
Originally posted by valodya
I'm currently using a Minstrel S modem with Omnisky for internet access on my Prism. I recently got a Sprint cell phone, and in the interest of saving money am thinking of getting a cable and ditching Omnisky. Has anyone tried both? I'd like to know how using a cell phone as a modem (Samsung SCH-8500, if the model matters) compares to Minstrel/Omnisky in terms of speed and reliability. Any insight would be appreciated.


I purchased an Omnisky for my Prism back at the end of July. At the same time, a friend purchased a Prism and a Supplynet cable for his SprintPCS Samsung 3500. After traveling within the US during the following three weeks, I could only find one place where my Omnisky worked reliably, while my friend's SprintPCS - Prism combo worked perfectly.

So, I returned the Omnisky and cancelled their service and bought a Samsung 8500 and cable instead. I now get service everywhere I travel, including inbuilding coverage, which the Omnisky could never supply. It's also nice not having the Onmisky in my Prism - it always made it top-heavy and uncomfortable to hold. The cable and the phone is much easier.

I do occassionally use the SprintPCS #2932 connection, but when you do that, you can't send mail, since they don't supply an SMTP server. So instead, I just dial into my Earthlink account, and of course use my local home access number where ever I am, since long distance is free!

I hope that helps...

Lesley


Posted by valodya on 09-12-2001 09:33 PM:

Thank you, your post is quite helpful.

quote:
I do occassionally use the SprintPCS #2932 connection, but when you do that, you can't send mail, since they don't supply an SMTP server.


Is this really the case? Other posts seem to imply that you can e-mail via QNC. If it is the case, are there any alternatives? I currently don't have a dialup ISP (or any ISP for that matter).


Posted by MarkEagle on 09-12-2001 10:29 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by valodya
Is this really the case? Other posts seem to imply that you can e-mail via QNC. If it is the case, are there any alternatives? I currently don't have a dialup ISP (or any ISP for that matter).


The SprintPCS QNC connection does not allow you to send email. Cables4PDA's was offering a beta SMTP service which did allow mail to be sent. I've used it and it works well.

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Posted by Slacker on 09-14-2001 10:59 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by MarkEagle


The SprintPCS QNC connection does not allow you to send email. Cables4PDA's was offering a beta SMTP service which did allow mail to be sent. I've used it and it works well.



You are incorrect Mark. I am using (as I stated earlier) Sprint's QNC on a daily basis and I use Eudora's free email client to send and receive email. You must have a SMTP and POP server but it DOES work. If you have a regular ISP like mindspring or something you should be able to use your email account info also on your Prism.

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Posted by Anomaly on 09-14-2001 10:36 PM:

Boy, full circle on my own thread It works for me too. I have minimal dial-up from Verizon/GTE with my DSL account so I don't use it, but have been able to send e-mail using Multi-mail while connected via QNC.

Just to be sure, I just tested it. Connected to QNC. Open Multimail. Sent an e-mail to my work address from my GTE setup and another from my virtual domain (which actually uses my GTE smtp). Got them in less than a minute.


Posted by MarkEagle on 09-14-2001 11:41 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Slacker
You are incorrect Mark. I am using (as I stated earlier) Sprint's QNC on a daily basis and I use Eudora's free email client to send and receive email.


Wouldn't be the first time...

Just curious... how long has this been working for you? My last attempt (2 or 3 months ago) didn't so I tried the Cables4PDA's beta. maybe SprintPCS has changed? Now, all I need to do is wait for the wife to get home (my phone is in her purse) so I can try again.

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Posted by valodya on 09-15-2001 04:47 PM:

Based on all the good information I got here, I decided to go ahead a spring for a Supplynet cable. I'm eager to try all this out, but the events of this week got in the way. I realize that this minor inconvenience is less than trivial in light of what has happened.

I ordered the cable on Mon. via second day air UPS. It arrived the next day, and UPS, bless their hearts, actually tried to deliver on Tues. afternoon to my workplace in Midtown Manhattan, but we had already closed. They suspended delivery for just one day (impressive, I thought), and my package arrived on Thurs. However, by this time, cell phone service was sporadic at best, and Sprint wireless web service was down (it had worked Tue. and Wed.; I used it via the phone's built in browser) and has been ever since.

Me and mine are all well and accounted for, so I have nothing real to complain about. I can wait. Just consider this whistling in the dark.


Posted by Slacker on 09-17-2001 01:42 AM:

Mark,

Like I said I use it daily. Works like a champ every time. But, as I said, you have to have your own SMTP and POP servers to use. Sprint doesn't provide them.

Now I have a question for you guys. What Sprint PCS dual band phones will provide a wireless infrared connection for connecting to the web?

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Posted by MarkEagle on 09-17-2001 01:47 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Slacker
you have to have your own SMTP and POP servers to use. Sprint doesn't provide them.


This must be fairly recent, but I won't complain. I just tried it and it's working for me, too.

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Posted by Slacker on 09-17-2001 01:49 AM:

Cool! Finally I contributed something worthwhile! Woohoo!

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Posted by champcar on 09-18-2001 07:49 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Slacker
you have to have your own SMTP and POP servers to use. Sprint doesn't provide them.


SMTP access is a common issue when using other ISPs, whether with PCs or PDAs. Most SMTP servers used to be open, meaning that you didn't have to be an authenticated user on that network to send mail through it. But with SPAM becoming such a problem in the past few years, almost all ISPs have closed their SMTP servers. In order to use smtp.earthlink.net, you need to be logged into the Earthlink network.

There are some web and mail hosting companies who don't offer dial-up service, but still have to offer SMTP access, so they do things like making you log into the POP server, for which you obviously need a password, which will then open the SMTP for 15-20 minutes. Others make you use a validated reply email address that matches the domain of the SMTP server, so you can't send mail through their system without being a client.

People run into these issues when traveling and staying in hotels who offer in-room high speed internet access. They can access http sites, and can use Outlook to retrieve their mail from their POP servers, but they can't send mail because the hotels don't offer SMTP servers, and the guest's SMTPs won't give them access since they aren't logged in through their service.


Posted by Franklin on 11-27-2001 08:55 AM:

Talking Silly question... (it's late, I'm tired)

I got my Prism just a few days ago, and already wondering how I got by without it. Until now I'd been using my phone's PDA'ish functions (SCH-8500, love this phone), but with recent change in job function (yay promotions), and other lifestyle changes the phone's abilities just weren't enough... mix that in with the very limited web access that WAP provides, and here I am.

I ordered a cable to link the two, and found instructions on how to setup the Visor's networking to use the phone, and my tired mind got curious (always trouble) which resulted in flipping open the phone, and dialing the access code (#2932) just to be greeted with a ring (yay) then a voice error code (boo). Now I realize it was silly, but some part of me (my memories of whistling to modems when I was young) half expected to hear a handshake request. O'kay, now that you're done laughing, does the error code (which just said that the code I dialed wasn't valid) mean that for some reason I don't have access to it, or is it just that I actually dialed it that's the problem?


(Tomorrow I'll kick myself for even asking)

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The opinions above are my own, and not necessarily those of my cat.


Posted by Slacker on 11-27-2001 11:33 AM:

Start kicking

The number works for computing devices but not for listening devices (ears).

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Posted by Franklin on 11-27-2001 07:08 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Slacker
Start kicking

The number works for computing devices but not for listening devices (ears).



*cues up his mp3 of the 'Boot to the Head' skit*

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The opinions above are my own, and not necessarily those of my cat.


Posted by valodya on 11-27-2001 08:03 PM:

I don't understand much about SMTP servers or authentication, but I can send e-mails from my Prism via QNC on a SprintPCS phone, using Eudora as my palm-side e-mail client. I've had no problem sending from my Yahoo account; you simply enter the SMTP address when you configure the POP3 access in Eudora. I've also sent e-mail from a POP3 account at another ISP, although that seems have problems some days.

I posted earlier in this thread asking about the pluses and minuses of using a cell phone as a modem versus Omnisky. I've been using the cell phone for a while now, and I thought I'd offer my impressions:

In general, I'd say the cell phone works well enough, but not as well as Omnisky through a Minstrel S modem (at least here in New York City). The cell phone connection is noticeably slower than Omnisky. The phone may be a bit more reliable than the Minstrel, but I've still had problems, not connecting, losing connections, etc. There are of course the obvious physical problems; you have to keep track of the Visor, cell phone, and cable, hook them together when you want to connect, and figure out a way of holding the whole caboodle and use it at the same time. Since, unlike with Omnisky, one's usage is metered by the minute, one has to watch the clock, and sometimes I end up disconnecting and reconnecting repeatedly, which can be a real pain. However, despite these drawbacks, the cell phone is adequate for pulling down e-mail, a few web pages, or syncing Avantgo. I'm happy enough with the cell phone connection that I did finally cancel Omnisky; I could no longer justify the additional expense.

YMMV of course, but I hope this helps someone.can


Posted by RodneyD on 11-28-2001 04:22 PM:

Here's my experience...

I have a Visor Deluxe. I signed up for Sprint PCS 3 weeks ago today with the Wireless Web option. (First 3 months free and just $5 after that). I purchased the Kyocera 2035 phone, and originally bought the Data Kit directly from Sprint. Well, the kit is more suited for a laptop connection , so I went ahead and bought the appropriate cable from Gomadic.

I then set up my Network preferences and my Eudora pop-server/smtp server information. After working out a few bugs (my errors), I was able to connect to my Road Runner account wirelessly! Every so often, I encounter some problem in the connection and I'll have to restart Eudora and/or the phone. One thing I have found (at least for me) is that both the phone and VDX must be off when I connect the two via the cable. Anybody else run into this problem?

Wireless rules!

RodneyD


Posted by MarkEagle on 11-28-2001 10:16 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by RodneyD
One thing I have found (at least for me) is that both the phone and VDX must be off when I connect the two via the cable.


I've had similar issues with my StarTAC/VDx combo. Since the Visor uses both USB and serial connections for hotsyncing, it's easy to confuse it when attaching serial peripherals. My unofficial recommendation is to always have the Visor powered off when connecting devices to it.

The Visor is also known for locking the serial port. I don't know exactly why or how this happens, but a soft reset is about the only cure that's ever worked for me. I believe this to be more of a software (serial library) issue because it's happen a few time with my Thinmodem and a Sprint PCS Digital Link.

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Posted by mraphael on 11-29-2001 04:27 PM:

Question using cable between cell phone and Visor

I have a Visor Platinum.

I am about to obtain a cell phone (finally).

I've read the description of the cables and some of the messages here.

Am I correct in understanding that one does not need anything additional from the cell service? In other words, one does only need the Visor, Phone, and cable and one dials into their ISP?

Thanks,

Mike Raphael


Posted by RodneyD on 11-30-2001 09:51 PM:

Hey Mike,

I think those 3 things will pretty much do the trick. Please note that different cellular service providers will have different ways to set up the connection through your network preferences.

I suggest visiting this site:

http://www.gomadic.com/support.htm

I bought the cable from them for a reasonable price and their on-line directions helped me connect wirelessly...painlessly!

Good luck!

RodneyD


Posted by mraphael on 12-01-2001 12:21 AM:

Thanks, that's what I was asking.
I wanted to know if it was necessary to sign up for additional service, but it seems not.

Mike


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