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Posted by fjs on 01-23-2001 03:19 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Konige
As I said before, I haven't signed up for web services because others, in this thread and in the wireless thread, have stated that they have connected without this service.
I checked your link and there's nothing I haven't tried.
Does anybody have this working with the StarTac 7860W?
I'll try posting in the wireless thread.
Thanks,
Rey [/B]

Rey I'm using an ST7868W on Verizon using the cables4pdas cable and it works fine. Signing up for the web service doesn't seem to be a requirement in North Carolina. I have a Vdx, my ISP is Mindspring and I'm using the same basic setting as everyone else with the StarTac. As long as I'm showing a digital signal, I connect every time.

Posted by Kupe on 01-23-2001 04:43 PM:

I'm using the cables4pdas cable with a StarTac 7868W and Verizon in the DC area. Using the setting listed on the cables4pdas web page, I get a connection on every try.

Although I have Verizon's "web enabled" feature right now (first 3 months free), I don't think this will be a requirement for data access to my ISP so I will probably cancel it before the free trial period ends.

As a side note, was riding in to work on the metro this morning with a headset plugged into the top of my Visor (SoundsGood) and a cables4pdas plugged into the bottom. You've got to like downloading email and listening to tunes on the same machine at the same time!!

Kupe
"No Visor Phone for Me!"

Posted by nysebull on 01-23-2001 07:53 PM:

Re: Help for roentgen

Roentgen,

Are you using the little red block that was in the SprintPCS connection kit? It is a null modem that needs to be in place between your wireless web cable and your Visor serial cable.

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Mike

Posted by Konige on 01-23-2001 10:06 PM:

Finally!

quote:
Originally posted by dennya
Rey,

I have virtually the same settings as you, using Mindspring (which now uses Earthlink dial-up numbers) and it's working fine. However, I *do* have data service on my 7868W.

I'd suggest signing up for the Mobile Web service and seeing if that helps. It could be that it's not needed for some carriers, but is for Verizon.

Well, it's finally working! I had to cave in and sign up for the mobile web service. After 2 days and 4 phone calls later, my mobile web service and Prism internet access connections are working. I guess Denny Atkin and Mark Eagle were correct, mobile web service is needed.

I still have to question those that have posted and are still posting that they have gotten access without this service on Verizon.
1. Are they truly sure that they don't have this service activated or unaware that they're on a free trial?
2. Is this just an issue with Verizon in NYC?
3. Is this just an issue with the ST7860W? All the postings mention the ST7868W.

For my mobile web access to be activated, I needed an IP address in my phone, was anyone aware of that?
If you'd like to check if you have one, these were the steps that Verizon gave me for my startac:
1. enter this number: "472337377" then press "FCN" twice
2. scroll to "LINK.A" press "STO"
3. scroll to "IP Addr 1" press "STO"
4. you can now view your ip address if you have one
5. press "STO" to set and exit

Thanks to all who have posted, this is really awesome.
-Rey

Posted by MarkEagle on 01-23-2001 10:25 PM:

Re: Finally!

quote:
Originally posted by Konige
For my mobile web access to be activated, I needed an IP address in my phone, was anyone aware of that?
If you'd like to check if you have one, these were the steps that Verizon gave me for my startac:
1. enter this number: "472337377" then press "FCN" twice
2. scroll to "LINK.A" press "STO"
3. scroll to "IP Addr 1" press "STO"
4. you can now view your ip address if you have one
5. press "STO" to set and exit

That's a new one on me... but sure enough, I used the 472337377 on my SprintPCS StarTAC ST7867W and found my phones IP address!

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Posted by fjs on 01-24-2001 03:05 PM:

Re: Finally!

quote:
Originally posted by Konige
I still have to question those that have posted and are still posting that they have gotten access without this service on Verizon.
1. Are they truly sure that they don't have this service activated or unaware that they're on a free trial?
2. Is this just an issue with Verizon in NYC?
3. Is this just an issue with the ST7860W? All the postings mention the ST7868W.

After reading this I was beginning to worry that Verizon had activated my wireless web without telling me! I tried a couple of the wireless web features and they don't work - says these features aren't activated. I did check and I do have an IP address in my ST7868W which must be a good thing. I tried doing a ping on this IP address and it seemed to work...at least it found something that was responding. Maybe Verizon has different rules in different parts of the country.

[Edited by fjs on 01-24-2001 at 11:04 AM]

Posted by rizwankassim on 01-27-2001 02:28 AM:

Dual Question now that I got my SCP4000 workin

by the way, thanks so much to everyone here.

I decided yesterday that I wanted to get my wireless on and by 6p tonight I am up!

Few questions...

1) Am I supposed to be dialing into my local ISP via my Visor and then Sprint PCS phone... I was under the impression it would go through the internal 'Sprint PCS Wireless Web' interface, i.e. I wouldnt need to use my ISP...

2) This is a toughie... is there any way to split the hotsync/serial port... I really want to be able to use my stowaway keyboard at the same time as my new 'cell modem'... if not, I guess I can wait for the sixpack ... but any solutions for now?

3) Since Im told I cant use the cables from Marks since they dont have the active circuitry blah blah [is this true for the Sanyo 4000] then is there something smaller I can use... its a pain to carry around the large sync cradle...!

Thanks SOO much

rk

Posted by MarkEagle on 01-27-2001 02:40 AM:

Re: Dual Question now that I got my SCP4000 workin

quote:
Originally posted by rizwankassim
1) Am I supposed to be dialing into my local ISP via my Visor and then Sprint PCS phone... I was under the impression it would go through the internal 'Sprint PCS Wireless Web' interface, i.e. I wouldnt need to use my ISP...

No.. .you need to go through your ISP. Or, you can try the SprintPCS QNC (Quick Network Connect).

quote:
2) This is a toughie... is there any way to split the hotsync/serial port... I really want to be able to use my stowaway keyboard at the same time as my new 'cell modem'... if not, I guess I can wait for the sixpack ... but any solutions for now?

Unfortunately, you can't connect the phone in conjunction with the keyboard. If anybody ever comes up with a way to do this, I'll be first in line!

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Posted by rizwankassim on 01-27-2001 02:57 AM:

Sigh... I am this close to buying an Omnisky setup anyhow... it does work, just not with the addons that Omni has...
The amount I'd spend on the 6pack almost makes up for it...
well that and the fact that its unlimited and doesnt require a small bag just to carry all teh cables
sadly, it IS $40 a month

QNC!? inform me please? Where do i go ?
thx

Posted by MarkEagle on 01-27-2001 03:00 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by rizwankassim
QNC!? inform me please? Where do i go ?

Follow this link.

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Posted by rizwankassim on 01-27-2001 03:10 AM:

hmm... serial port in use

i disabled my drivers from my stowaway... I cant think of anything else.. ideas?

Also, no connection pref screen on my palm.. is this an 3.3 + thing?

Posted by MarkEagle on 01-27-2001 03:20 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by rizwankassim
hmm... serial port in use

i disabled my drivers from my stowaway... I cant think of anything else.. ideas?

Also, no connection pref screen on my palm.. is this an 3.3 + thing?

Try soft resetting the Visor... that should clear the serial port.

There is no connection pref screen in OS3.1. Just configure the network settings under Network prefs, and the connection info under Phone prefs.

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Posted by readable on 01-27-2001 08:02 PM:

The serial is in use message.

Try hitting the hotsync icon in the hotsync program on your palm. You don't need to be connected. Then hit cancel. did it show you you serial port was in use. Everything should work.

The QNC with sprintpcs. Try it you will like it. I am able to connect to the web in less than 10 sec. Follow the links above.

Mike

Posted by Gameboy70 on 01-28-2001 05:08 AM:

I want to take the plunge!

Pardon my ignorance if I've missed something. I've read the entire thread and been struck with a bad case of MEGO (My Eyes Glaze Over) when reading all the various setups people are connecting. I'm sure my questions have already been answered, but I just need to cut through the haze.

I have a Qualcomm QCP-2760 with a Sprint PCS account. If I get a Mark/Space data cable and add Wireless Web to my Sprint account, do I need anything else (other than configuring my modem settings)?

Posted by nysebull on 01-28-2001 12:41 PM:

If you own the Sprint connection kit, then yes.

You would need the Wireless web connection kit from Sprint, add Wireless Web to your phone account, and get a MarkSpace cable. You would plug the wireless web cable into the phone, plug the null modem block(comes in Sprint connection kit) into the Wireless Web cable, plug the MarkSpace cable into the null modem, and plug the MarkSpace into your Visor. About 8 feet of cable and adapters and weighs more that your Visor.

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Posted by Gameboy70 on 01-28-2001 05:41 PM:

Re: If you own the Sprint connection kit, then yes.

quote:
Originally posted by nysebull
You would need the Wireless web connection kit from Sprint, add Wireless Web to your phone account, and get a MarkSpace cable. You would plug the wireless web cable into the phone, plug the null modem block(comes in Sprint connection kit) into the Wireless Web cable, plug the MarkSpace cable into the null modem, and plug the MarkSpace into your Visor. About 8 feet of cable and adapters and weighs more that your Visor.

Thanks for the clarification. I've got the Wireless Web cable from the WW Connection Kit, but I no longer have the box, and I don't remember it having any hardware other than the cable (I originally got the kit for connecting a laptop, had too many configuration problems that support couldn't resolve, and dropped Wireless Web from my plan). I assume the null modem block is the el cheapo adapter that can be obtained from the likes of Radio Shack and Fry's?

Posted by nysebull on 01-28-2001 06:09 PM:

Yep. Heck even WalMart might sell them. Just to let you know, I am just about ready to release a single cable solution for the 860/1960/2760 family.

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Posted by rmapes on 01-28-2001 06:17 PM:

I have a SprintPCS Touchpoint (I believe it is the 1100 -it's made by Denso Wireless - not Qualcomm as it says on the case) and I am able to connect to the internet using my Visor using several different methods:

1) using an EFIG springboard module (around $150) and the Sprint wireless web data cable (this is real portable).

2) using a Visor serial cradle and the Sprint wireless web data cable.

To make the 2nd method more portable, I made a 5 inch long serial cable using the circuit board from the serial cradle - real easy to do. I also shortened the Sprint Wireless Web data cable to 5 inches - also real easy to do. (note: the portable serial cable I made has a DB9 on one end and has a Visor connector, taken from a Visor USB cable, on the other end)

Unfortunately, the mark-space cable didn't work for me and neither did the simple Cables4PDA cable. This is because the same TTL/RS232 conversion circuitry found in the cradle is for some reason still required for the Touchpoint phone to properly connect. I suspect the other Qualcomm phones also have the same need.

Posted by pel in chicago on 01-28-2001 08:45 PM:

Now I'm really lost

After the last response by NYSEBULL, I am really confused. I thought all I needed was a cable from his company to hook up my StarTac phone to the Visor with wireless web enabled by Sprint. Now what's this about the sprint wireless connection kit (which costs $100) and more cables????? It seems like a bit much compared to what I've read in the past. PLEASE CLARIFY!

Posted by rmapes on 01-28-2001 09:25 PM:

The cable that nysebull makes is all you need for StarTac phones (and Samsung?)- a great solution for those phones.

Some phones however, (such as Sprint Touchpoint)still need the SprintPCS Wireless Web data cable (yes, it is a ripoff at $100 - you don't need the software that it comes with in the box. But there is a tiny circuit board embedded in the DB9 port of the cable that is required to make it work). Denso Wireless makes the Touchpoints for Sprint but they refuse to give me the pin-out description so that I might make a simpler/cheaper cable.

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